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Dr. J 25,356 3,377 October 17, 2016 at 07:06 AM
I have:
(1) continuously running Win10 PC (drives upgradable)
(1) Synology DS216 Play with 2x4TB drives [this is installed in a fireproof safe with its own UPS]
(1) Netgear ReadyNAS DUO with 2x1TB drives (this device is limited to about 1GB HDD or so I believe)
(1) external (USB) drive for the PC which I think has a 4TB drive in it

Generally I keep important financial documents (tax records, statements, etc) on the PC and back up "periodically" to the Synology (manually). I keep bulk stuff on the Synology alone (family photos, music, videos mostly). The ReadyNAS has some stuff on it that's just mirrored on the Synology.

Honestly the ReadyNAS has been flaky over the years and I don't trust it nearly as much as I do the Synology.

I've been thinking about getting a Crashplan-type service - but note I have a LOT of data, like 1TB+ (mostly the photos).

Anyway, can someone suggest a method (including software) to back up the lot of this in some sort of automated fashion (e.g. once a week)? Would it be best to have the PC host all of the data (add internal drive), then use the NAS's as dual backups, and the USB as a less frequent backup? What is good software (even if paid) for this?

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Possibly running Crashplan on the Synology? I am looking to do something like this with a NAS once I eventually do the research and get one.
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How in the heck do you maintain the fireproof status of the safe and get power into it???

Not sure on crashplan pricing but Amazon Cloud Drive now has unlimited storage for $60/yr. I think synology sync service supports it. I think I'll eventually go this route, but I'm delaying because I haven't researched how to encrypt the files first before sending to Amazon as there's a ton of sensitive tax info.

Other than that, I might be tempted to add something like Karens Replicator, or similar, to backup your PC or work with files directly from the server if possible.
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I have:
(1) continuously running Win10 PC (drives upgradable)
(1) Synology DS216 Play with 2x4TB drives [this is installed in a fireproof safe with its own UPS]
(1) Netgear ReadyNAS DUO with 2x1TB drives (this device is limited to about 1GB HDD or so I believe)
(1) external (USB) drive for the PC which I think has a 4TB drive in it

Generally I keep important financial documents (tax records, statements, etc) on the PC and back up "periodically" to the Synology (manually). I keep bulk stuff on the Synology alone (family photos, music, videos mostly). The ReadyNAS has some stuff on it that's just mirrored on the Synology.

Honestly the ReadyNAS has been flaky over the years and I don't trust it nearly as much as I do the Synology.

I've been thinking about getting a Crashplan-type service - but note I have a LOT of data, like 1TB+ (mostly the photos).

Anyway, can someone suggest a method (including software) to back up the lot of this in some sort of automated fashion (e.g. once a week)? Would it be best to have the PC host all of the data (add internal drive), then use the NAS's as dual backups, and the USB as a less frequent backup? What is good software (even if paid) for this?
If you want something internal-only, as in you don't want to ever connect from outside your home and aren't worried about backing up the NAS itself, then just use Veeam's free endpoint backup tool. It's simple and bulletproof. You can schedule types and frequency as much as you like.

If you want something that works outside your home, Synology has a Cloud Backup application. If you want to back up your entire NAS to the cloud, DSM also works with B2 storage, I believe, which is supposedly pretty cheap for a cloud provider.
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If you want something internal-only, as in you don't want to ever connect from outside your home and aren't worried about backing up the NAS itself, then just use Veeam's free endpoint backup tool. It's simple and bulletproof. You can schedule types and frequency as much as you like.

If you want something that works outside your home, Synology has a Cloud Backup application. If you want to back up your entire NAS to the cloud, DSM also works with B2 storage, I believe, which is supposedly pretty cheap for a cloud provider.

I am a bit concerned about cloud-based storage, honestly.... and having to encrypt shit just to back it up sounds like a major PITA. It's not the cost that makes me shy away from stuff like Crashplan but the whole cloud angle. I'm not some gangster with billions of $$ but I sure as shit don't want people getting ahold of tax returns, bank statements and the like.

Is it an effective backup solution to have 2 NAS basically mirror one another? I've thought of placing one at the IL's house I could write to remotely.

For backups I think the main concerns are:
- Device failure
- theft/destruction
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I like keeping my pictures/videos on an internal drive since the performance tends to be better for editing plus it ends up giving me an extra copy.

My solution in your situation would be to add a drive (possibly two) to the Win10 PC for file storage, then use Easeus (or Veeam, Bacula, etc) to image backup to the Synology. I'd also probably enable File History [howtogeek.com] to your Synology as well. Then use one of Synology's cloud plugins to sync to the cloud.

If you're concerned about security, you could set your image backup to password encrypt and only sync those to the cloud. IMO, the benefits of having easy offsite storage outweigh the risks so I would just sync everything, but that's up to you.. A second NAS at a remote site that you sync to would accomplish most of the same things.

Edit: Also keep in mind that unless your safe is designed for media, there's a pretty good chance it will get hot enough inside during a real fire to destroy your data. Still good to prevent theft though.
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I'm using Crashplan and I love it. 6 computers, but only about 800GB across all 6. Also have a local NAS drive for full images, just to speed up any recovery that might be necessary.
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I am a bit concerned about cloud-based storage, honestly.... and having to encrypt shit just to back it up sounds like a major PITA. It's not the cost that makes me shy away from stuff like Crashplan but the whole cloud angle. I'm not some gangster with billions of $$ but I sure as shit don't want people getting ahold of tax returns, bank statements and the like.

Is it an effective backup solution to have 2 NAS basically mirror one another? I've thought of placing one at the IL's house I could write to remotely.

For backups I think the main concerns are:
- Device failure
- theft/destruction
whats tax returns have to do with anything?
nobody got mine but someone still filed taxes in me and the wifes name.
Only 2 places I'm guessing was IRS Transcript online or Anthem hack.
Used all our info but had the returns deposited onto a card
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I am a bit concerned about cloud-based storage, honestly.... and having to encrypt shit just to back it up sounds like a major PITA. It's not the cost that makes me shy away from stuff like Crashplan but the whole cloud angle. I'm not some gangster with billions of $$ but I sure as shit don't want people getting ahold of tax returns, bank statements and the like.

Is it an effective backup solution to have 2 NAS basically mirror one another? I've thought of placing one at the IL's house I could write to remotely.

For backups I think the main concerns are:
- Device failure
- theft/destruction
I think everyone is concerned about it. But it's pretty much the only backup target you can use that you don't personally own.

Yes it is, to answer your question. You can absolutely do NAS mirroring with DSM. I thought the same thing about mine. Still might do it.

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whats tax returns have to do with anything?
nobody got mine but someone still filed taxes in me and the wifes name.
Only 2 places I'm guessing was IRS Transcript online or Anthem hack.
Used all our info but had the returns deposited onto a card
Personal info and SSNs...not something you want in anyone's hands. Yep, ID fraud can happen to you despite anyone's best efforts. Keep an eye on those credit reports and know what you're due and when. Sorry to hear that Stufine.
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whats tax returns have to do with anything?
nobody got mine but someone still filed taxes in me and the wifes name.
Only 2 places I'm guessing was IRS Transcript online or Anthem hack.
Used all our info but had the returns deposited onto a card
So they filed fake returns to get cash or real returns? So what eventually happened?
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So they filed fake returns to get cash or real returns? So what eventually happened?
Short version

In 2015 the fraudsters received about 4k using all of our personal info. I'm not sure what w2 info they used. At the time IRS wouldn't allow me to get a copy.

This year on Feb 1, I was sitting at my desk and received an email from turbo tax saying they recommend you only keep 1 account. Well I only have 1 account. Called and they said someone efiled my taxes. This is when I found out same account file 2014. Guess they forgot the login info and created another account. I've never filed Turbo Tax online but I do have an account.

July 2016 I received my 2014 check with interest from IRS.

Now I get to do it again.

I've sent the paperwork in to get copies (redacted) so I can see if the numbers are made up. Wife gets a w2, I get nothing. We do schE.. I just want to know if they got a copy of her w2.

Found out taxes that are filed early are on the honor system. IRS doesn't have all w2 etc until July... WTF... That's right.. They tried to change the time requirement but congress shot it down. Maybe it funds some clandestine operations and it's the easy way to get funding..
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Short version

In 2015 the fraudsters received about 4k using all of our personal info. I'm not sure what w2 info they used. At the time IRS wouldn't allow me to get a copy.

This year on Feb 1, I was sitting at my desk and received an email from turbo tax saying they recommend you only keep 1 account. Well I only have 1 account. Called and they said someone efiled my taxes. This is when I found out same account file 2014. Guess they forgot the login info and created another account. I've never filed Turbo Tax online but I do have an account.

July 2016 I received my 2014 check with interest from IRS.

Now I get to do it again.

I've sent the paperwork in to get copies (redacted) so I can see if the numbers are made up. Wife gets a w2, I get nothing. We do schE.. I just want to know if they got a copy of her w2.

Found out taxes that are filed early are on the honor system. IRS doesn't have all w2 etc until July... WTF... That's right.. They tried to change the time requirement but congress shot it down. Maybe it funds some clandestine operations and it's the easy way to get funding..
REALLY farked up that Amazon won't ship me a $4 item unless my zip code matches what my CC has on file BUT the IRS will hand out thousands of $$ to random people on "the honor system"
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REALLY farked up that Amazon won't ship me a $4 item unless my zip code matches what my CC has on file BUT the IRS will hand out thousands of $$ to random people on "the honor system"
I do use Amazon to backup my photos since I have prime.
Our phones send photos to amazon when connected to wifi.
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I do use Amazon to backup my photos since I have prime.
Our phones send photos to amazon when connected to wifi.
Google Photos does that too, for free. Assuming you are OK with them scaling pictures down to 13MP and video to 1080p. Unlimited storage.
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I am a bit concerned about cloud-based storage, honestly.... and having to encrypt shit just to back it up sounds like a major PITA. It's not the cost that makes me shy away from stuff like Crashplan but the whole cloud angle. I'm not some gangster with billions of $$ but I sure as shit don't want people getting ahold of tax returns, bank statements and the like.
Crashplan has an option which will encrypt your data client-side prior to backup.
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