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U.S. President-elect Donald Trump aims to replace Obamacare with a plan that would envisage "insurance for everybody," he said in an interview with the Washington Post published on Sunday night.

Trump did not give the newspaper specifics about his proposals to replace Democratic President Barack Obama's signature health insurance law, but said the plan was nearly finished and he was ready to unveil it alongside the leaders of the Republican-controlled Congress.

The plan, he said, would include "lower numbers, much lower deductibles," without elaborating.

"We're going to have insurance for everybody," Trump said. "There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can't pay for it, you don't get it. That's not going to happen with us."

Trump was also quoted as saying in the interview that he would target pharmaceutical companies over drug pricing and insist they negotiate directly with the Medicare and Medicaid government health plans for the elderly and poor.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us...SKBN15005C

Sounds great. Let's see how the delivery leads up to the promise.

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'I Alone Can Fix It' Becomes 'It's Not My Fault'
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"Nobody knows the system better than me, which is why I alone can fix it."
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The dilemma is that the promise of easy solutions can help win an election, but it does not translate into governing.


Populists generally either radically depart from their platform, resort to authoritarianism to consolidate their power, or fail. Trump is heading for door no. 3.
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The failure to repeal and replace was a party-wide populist dilemma years in the making. Republicans in Congress promised to repeal Obamacare and replace it with something that would give everybody access to coverage, at less cost, while lowering taxes.


When Trump promised, "You're going to have such great health care, at a tiny fraction of the cost, and it's going to be so easy," he was merely echoing Republican rhetoric.
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To the (very limited) extent Trump had a successful positive message in 2016 — and did not merely rely on tarnishing his opponent — he appealed to low-information voters as a deal-making virtuoso.


They didn't understand the complexity of passing legislation through a fragmented system with multiple veto points, and believed Trump was some close approximation of the character he played on The Apprentice, who could overpower the mysterious gridlock in Washington.


Trump boasted over and over that he was a dealmaker, deals are what he does, and his negotiating prowess would overcome any barrier. He may well have believed this himself.
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Now the illusion has been shattered, and Trump wants to sustain the illusion by changing his pitch.


The promise of easy victories and making deals is now a list of excuses for why the members of Congress Trump was supposed to make deals with have all let him down.


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligen...fault.html


It's one of Trump's weirder character traits that he'd rather be viewed as a liar than as a failure. Oddly enough, most view him as both now.



https://poll.qu.edu/national/rele...aseID=2483
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Millions who buy health insurance brace for double-digit increases

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mill...increases/

But an influx of sicker-than-expected customers drove up costs for insurers, while many younger, healthier people stayed on the sidelines. Political opposition from Republicans complicated matters by gumming up the law's internal financial stabilizers for insurers.

The result was a 25 percent average increase in the price of a midlevel plan on HealthCare.gov heading into this year. Many states expect a similar scenario for 2018, but this time insurers say uncertainty about the Trump administration's intentions is driving up their bids ahead of the Nov. 1 start of open enrollment.
25% premium hike last year and now similar for Nov 1st.
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Save America from turning into United Socialist States of America!
Say "NO" to Putin's Unelected Soviet Puppet.
Impeach Drumpf for treason! Michael Flynn and Jeff Sessions are not the only American traitors!

Wonderful leader is Golfing and Campaigning while America is suffering the worse crisis ever. What a disaster!
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Millions who buy health insurance brace for double-digit increases



25% premium hike last year and now similar for Nov 1st.
Yup...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/15/pol...index.html

Having failed to repeal Obamacare, President Donald Trump has said his strategy would be to let the health law "implode."

The Congressional Budget Office released a report Thursday that predicts Trump administration policies on Obamacare could help it on its way by leading to rising premiums and decreased enrollment in individual insurance markets over the next year.

Without calling the administration by name, the report names several policies the White House is pushing when explaining why average Obamacare premiums will increase substantially in 2018.
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Senate Republicans Are Trying to Repeal Obamacare Again

"Though the effort faces low odds of success and just a two-week window to prevail, Democrats backed by doctors, hospitals, and patients' groups are mustering an all-out effort to smother the GOP drive once and for all.

The latest attempt is being led by GOP Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Louisiana's Bill Cassidy.
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After that embarrassing setback, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said he'd not revisit the issue unless he was assured he had the votes he needed to succeed.
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Opponents say the plan's cuts in Medicaid and easing of Obama's insurance requirements would cause millions to become uninsured and leave others with skimpy, unaffordable coverage.
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Conservative Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., has already said he'll oppose the bill. Other Republicans who've not yet lined up behind it include Alaska's Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins of Maine, Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia and Ohio's Rob Portman.
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Republicans only have until Sept. 30 to succeed with just 50 votes.

Special procedures preventing Democrats from using a filibuster to kill the measure will expire after that, and Republicans would need 60 votes to win.
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Complicating their prospects, Republicans are waiting for an analysis by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, which is needed before the Senate can vote.


The budget agency's evaluations of past GOP repeal plans concluded they would have caused millions of Americans to lose insurance coverage, an outcome many Republicans are unwilling to accept."


http://time.com/4946773/lindsey-g...care-bill/
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Senate Republicans Are Trying to Repeal Obamacare Again

[INDENT]"Though the effort faces low odds of success and just a two-week window to prevail, Democrats backed by doctors, hospitals, and patients' groups are mustering an all-out effort to smother the GOP drive once and for all.



Socialized healthcare keeps on flowing:


Senate reaches deal on extending children's health insurance program

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sena...e-program/

Senate Republican and Democratic bargainers reached agreement late Tuesday to extend financing for the children's health insurance program for five years, a pact that if approved would avert an end-of-month cash crunch for the popular program.
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Socialized healthcare keeps on flowing:


Trump voters voted for socialized healthcare:

"I was the first & only potential GOP candidate to state there will be no cuts to Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid. Huckabee copied me."
8:38 AM - 7 May 2015
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtru...4187602944


"Huckabee is a nice guy but will never be able to bring in the funds so as not to cut Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid. I will."
8:40 AM - 7 May 2015
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtru...2373343233


"The Republicans who want to cut SS & Medicaid are wrong. A robust economy will Make America Great Again!"
1:23 AM - 11 Jul 2015
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtru...1339439104


"I am going to save Medicare and Medicaid, Carson wants to abolish, and failing candidate Gov. John Kasich doesn't have a clue - weak!"
9:30 PM - 30 Oct 2015
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtru...9543005184


Of course, that's assuming that those voters were actually paying attention.
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What's in the latest Obamacare repeal bill?


http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/18/n...index.html
  • Repeal Obamacare individual and employer mandates: Obamacare levies penalties on most Americans who don't have health insurance and larger employers who don't provide affordable coverage for their workers. The bill would eliminate the penalty, retroactive to 2016.

Fail - refund every single dollar you stole.
  • Repeals Obamacare subsidies and ends Medicaid expansion funding: The legislation would eliminate Obamacare subsidies that lower premiums, deductibles and co-pays in 2020.

Fail - 100% repeal starting 1/1/2018. End medicaid as well.
  • Loosens Obamacare's regulations regarding pre-existing conditions: The bill would also waive several key Obamacare protections for those with pre-existing conditions. While it would still require insurers to provide coverage to everyone,

Fail - get out of the healthcare market.
  • Defunds Planned Parenthood: In keeping with longstanding Republican beliefs, the legislation prohibits federal funding for Planned Parenthood. But the restriction is only for a year, beginning when the bill is enacted.

Fail - got to make sure government restricts the reproductive liberty of 50% of the population.
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