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Reusing Existing Home Alarm System

609 158 February 18, 2017 at 07:28 AM
I already have an home security system from a local security monitor company. Their prices are going up and I have been considering replacing my system with something along the lines of Simplisafe. While looking through Simplisafe's website and researching their prices, it's seens it would probably cost me north of $400 to replace all the sensors I have now with Simplisafe's offerings (and that's if I buy a refurbished system). So I started taking a closing look at the keypad and sensors that I have now and it seems to be pretty much all Honeywell products.

My question is it possible for me to replace the keypad I already have and re-sync my existing senors with it & use a different monitoring company? my sensors are wireless by way.

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Post up the model # of the central control board. Are you with a big name company now (like ADT)? Some of those have proprietary control boards and you have to replace them to go with a different provider. Others are more generic and may just require some simple reprogramming to change companies.

Regardless, the sensors should be able to remain in place.
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I was in the same situation recently with prices going up and the company's CS being rude and obnoxious so I switched over to another firm. First off, they should be able to reuse all your window, door and motion sensors. The keypad probably too. The place I went with gave me a new keypad and cell phone module for free and re-used all my other equipment. I re-sold the old keypad and cell module online.

As for monthly prices, they vary but I would recommend going with a name company and getting central station monitoring. Simplysafe is if I am not mistaken, a do-it-yourself install, all wireless system (including all the sensors). Not good if you have a wired system in place already. They tout wireless is safer...which is not the case for the actual sensors and keypad. It just makes it easier for the install and cheaper for them. A wireless cell for the alarm is recommended over a land line or internet.
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I already have an home security system from a local security monitor company. Their prices are going up and I have been considering replacing my system...

So I started taking a closing look at the keypad and sensors that I have now and it seems to be pretty much all Honeywell products.

My question is it possible for me to replace the keypad I already have and re-sync my existing senors with it & use a different monitoring company? my sensors are wireless by way.
You can probably reuse quite a bit of that possibly even control panel. Post model numbers and or pictures. Are you currently under contract?

Is the current alarm a bulky all in one unit where the entire alarm system is inside an over sized keypad or a traditional system with a metal cabinet that houses the control board?

Do you have more than 1 keypad?
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You can probably reuse quite a bit of that possibly even control panel. Post model numbers and or pictures. Are you currently under contract?

Is the current alarm a bulky all in one unit where the entire alarm system is inside an over sized keypad or a traditional system with a metal cabinet that houses the control board?

Do you have more than 1 keypad?
I only have one keypad & I'm not under contract.
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I only have one keypad & I'm not under contract.
If you are happy with the system itself, just use your own monitoring company.
https://www.alarmrelay.com/
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I only have one keypad & I'm not under contract.
It should be pretty easy to reuse that system with minimal cost. I'd go with alarmrelay or geoarm for monitoring.

Your alarm currently dials in on a landline phone (possibly a voip line most likely from your cable company if voip), as long as you're keeping the landline you can continue to use that for the alarm and pay around $10/mo with one of these companies.

If you want to go cellular that's around $15-20 from one of these companies. Alarm relay doesn't post their cellular monitoring rates you have to call. Sometimes you have to pay for the communicator other times it stays their property and is free. There are a few other low cost options.

You don't have to, but it's easier to program with an alpha keypad (search buy it now on ebay for honeywell 6160). Your current keypad contains the wireless sensor receiver so it would be easiest to add a second keypad somewhere else.
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It should be pretty easy to reuse that system with minimal cost. I'd go with alarmrelay or geoarm for monitoring.

Your alarm currently dials in on a landline phone (possibly a voip line most likely from your cable company if voip), as long as you're keeping the landline you can continue to use that for the alarm and pay around $10/mo with one of these companies.

If you want to go cellular that's around $15-20 from one of these companies. Alarm relay doesn't post their cellular monitoring rates you have to call. Sometimes you have to pay for the communicator other times it stays their property and is free. There are a few other low cost options.

You don't have to, but it's easier to program with an alpha keypad (search buy it now on ebay for honeywell 6160). Your current keypad contains the wireless sensor receiver so it would be easiest to add a second keypad somewhere else.
I really like the idea being able to get alerts if my alarm has been tripped through my phone, but I'm pretty sure my current setup does not have that feature. So I wonder if I was to replace my keypad with one that connects to my network would be able to then use an app with my alarm system?
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I really like the idea being able to get alerts if my alarm has been tripped through my phone, but I'm pretty sure my current setup does not have that feature. So I wonder if I was to replace my keypad with one that connects to my network would be able to then use an app with my alarm system?
It doesn't work like that. Adding an alpha keypad makes programming much easier and displays things like Fault Front Door instead of flashing the a number like 19. If would also give you a second location you could control the alarm from.

To get alerts on you phone there are 2 things you could do:
Get cellular/internet monitoring that provides this service likely closer to $20/mo and still provides traditional alarm monitoring with police dispatch. This might be Honeywell TotalConnect or Alarm.com services via GeoArm for example.

Get a separate device like the EnvisaLink EVL-4 that allows you to self monitor / get alerts on your phone without a recurring cost (I wouldn't pay for their monitoring service). You may still be able to use traditional alarm monitoring via your landline for around $10/mo but you'd need to prevent that from dialing out every time a door is opened armed or not.
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It doesn't work like that. Adding an alpha keypad makes programming much easier and displays things like Fault Front Door instead of flashing the a number like 19. If would also give you a second location you could control the alarm from.

To get alerts on you phone there are 2 things you could do:
Get cellular/internet monitoring that provides this service likely closer to $20/mo and still provides traditional alarm monitoring with police dispatch. This might be Honeywell TotalConnect or Alarm.com services via GeoArm for example.

Get a separate device like the EnvisaLink EVL-4 that allows you to self monitor / get alerts on your phone without a recurring cost (I wouldn't pay for their monitoring service). You may still be able to use traditional alarm monitoring via your landline for around $10/mo but you'd need to prevent that from dialing out every time a door is opened armed or not.
I don't feel that my home is big enough to warrant a secondary keypad.

Could I just replace the one I have an re-pair the sensors to the new keypad? I don't have the master code to the keypad I have now so I don't know how I would add any more sensors or key fobs otherwise.
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I don't feel that my home is big enough to warrant a secondary keypad.

Could I just replace the one I have an re-pair the sensors to the new keypad? I don't have the master code to the keypad I have now so I don't know how I would add any more sensors or key fobs otherwise.
The master code is used to arm disarm, set time, and assign other user codes it's probably the code you use. Usually there's a way you can get into programming without knowing the installer code, but it's not too hard to find what a d t uses.

The installer code is used to get into programming. If you go with a company like geoarm or alarm relay they'll help you through getting the panel setup. Sometimes they also partner with local installers who for a fee will come to your house and reprogram it.

I was suggesting a second keypad because you can the 6160/6060vadtp alphanumeric keypads pretty cheap ($50) on ebay and make programming easier. These models lack the rf receiver for your sensors. The 6160RF is a lot more expensive ($100 on ebay much more elsewhere). An alpha keypad isn't required but does make it easier and if you used one it wouldn't have to remain in the system (you could use one to make programming easier and then sell it to somebody else on ebay).

A lot of alarms are installed with a keypad near the entry doors and one in the master bedroom/closet. It's nice to be able to arm at night or see what's going on from your room.
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You could also swap your 6150RF for a 6160 and a wireless receiver that installs in the metal cabinet but that is more complicated.
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The master code is used to arm disarm, set time, and assign other user codes it's probably the code you use. Usually there's a way you can get into programming without knowing the installer code, but it's not too hard to find what a d t uses.

The installer code is used to get into programming. If you go with a company like geoarm or alarm relay they'll help you through getting the panel setup. Sometimes they also partner with local installers who for a fee will come to your house and reprogram it.

I was suggesting a second keypad because you can the 6160/6060vadtp alphanumeric keypads pretty cheap ($50) on ebay and make programming easier. These models lack the rf receiver for your sensors. The 6160RF is a lot more expensive ($100 on ebay much more elsewhere). An alpha keypad isn't required but does make it easier and if you used one it wouldn't have to remain in the system (you could use one to make programming easier and then sell it to somebody else on ebay).

A lot of alarms are installed with a keypad near the entry doors and one in the master bedroom/closet. It's nice to be able to arm at night or see what's going on from your room.
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You could also swap your 6150RF for a 6160 and a wireless receiver that installs in the metal cabinet but that is more complicated.
I appreciate the all the useful info you have given....one more question I have is the Honeywell 6160RF Keypad w/ built in 5881ENH zone wireless receiver the one I can use replace the keypad I have?
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You can see the installer code if you restart the system and watch the keypad. Once you have this and are ready to cancel, make sure your disconnect your phone line from the alarm before you call them. Many companies will dial into your alarm and disable it once you cancel.

http://security.livewatch.com/for...mco-system
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I appreciate the all the useful info you have given....one more question I have is the Honeywell 6160RF Keypad w/ built in 5881ENH zone wireless receiver the one I can use replace the keypad I have?
No your keypad is a variant of the 6150RF that was made for protection 1. The 6150RF's have the 5881ENM built in which can't handle as many zones as the 5881ENH. Your system is currently at capacity for wireless devices, the 6150RF can only handle 16 zones (keyfobs use 4 zones).

The 6160 is a full alpha keypad and the 6150 is a fixed word keypad. The RF receiver in the 6160RF can handle more zones than the 6150RF. Only one wireless receiver can be connected / enabled at a time.

So your options are:
-Do nothing, harder to program the panel, no expansion (you got quite a few zones already).
-Connect a 6160 during programming and either install it permanently or disconnect it once you're done programming the panel.
-Replace the current keypad with a 6160RF or a 6160 and 5881ENH receiver board wired at the panel which is a little less expensive than the 6160RF.
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