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Google Wifi solve loss in network speed?

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I am considering the Google Wifi mesh 3-pack to replace my current network, not so much because my current wifi doesn't cover my entire house, but because of the loss of network speed due to most of my devices being connected to the access point. My understanding is that using a second router as an AP cuts your network speed by half, and my own experience seems to uphold this.
Theoretically I can achieve 60 Mbps from my ISP. I have tested my laptop hooked directly to the modem and I see this speed. But my modem is downstairs in the basement, so to achieve a decent signal I need a wireless router as an AP upstairs. I rarely get 20 Mbps upstairs, and usually its closer to 10Mbps or even lower, especially in the evening. Another issue is the interference from the microwave, when the network is unreachable while it is running.

I don't know much about these new mesh systems, but I think they will at least solve my microwave interference. But am I correct that my network speed should be faster upstairs? My house isn't that big, only about 2000 s.f., so I think I can probably get by with two of the wifi units.

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An alternative would be to run an ethernet cable from your main router to the Accesspoint which will return your speeds to what you expect.

As for the microwave have you tried changing channels? I get this issue too and some are better then others. If your current routers have 5ghz this should fix it entirely.
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An alternative would be to run an ethernet cable from your main router to the Accesspoint which will return your speeds to what you expect.

As for the microwave have you tried changing channels? I get this issue too and some are better then others. If your current routers have 5ghz this should fix it entirely.

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Ethernet isn't an option. It's an older home and I just don't have any way to run the cable through walls, floors, etc.


I don't have a dual band router, so that's not an option either
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Google WiFi system can still suffer from speed dropoff due to the satellites and the "base station" using the standard WiFi signal to communicate with each other as well as communicate with your devices.

One of the only mesh systems with a dedicated frequency set aside for satellite to base station communication is the Netgear Orbi. If you can't run an ethernet cable to connect your access points / satellites / etc. you might want to get the Orbi as it keeps the two communication bands separate.

All that being said - have you talked to a local AV install team? Depending on where you're located costs are typically $100-$200 to have a pro come out and install a Cat6 cable for you (which is cheaper than an entirely new mesh system). I would talk to an AV crew first before an electrician as they're generally cheaper and you don't need an electrician for ethernet or other low voltage systems.
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I could have sworn the microwave thing was a myth unless you had a actual issue with the microwave. as an example unplug your microwave and play a video on a phone or tablet over WiFi. place the device in the microwave and close the door. the video should cut out and that means the microwave will not be causing an interference. it's not letting the microwave out of the casing effecting anything. I actually have my router and modem right under the shelf the microwave is on in my home. no issues with interference.

I could be wrong on the above but that's my understanding on wifi+microwave interference.

as for the wiring you can check for a solution of running the Ethernet behind a baseboard or crown moulding. you should be able to drill through your floors unless they are cement all the way around. if they are you should look into a poweline adapter but based on the old home comment I am betting old wiring. You can drill through cement with the correct but and drill...

oh and 2000 sqft is huge imo Smilie
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I could have sworn the microwave thing was a myth unless you had a actual issue with the microwave. as an example unplug your microwave and play a video on a phone or tablet over WiFi. place the device in the microwave and close the door. the video should cut out and that means the microwave will not be causing an interference. it's not letting the microwave out of the casing effecting anything. I actually have my router and modem right under the shelf the microwave is on in my home. no issues with interference.

I could be wrong on the above but that's my understanding on wifi+microwave interference.

as for the wiring you can check for a solution of running the Ethernet behind a baseboard or crown moulding. you should be able to drill through your floors unless they are cement all the way around. if they are you should look into a poweline adapter but based on the old home comment I am betting old wiring. You can drill through cement with the correct but and drill...

oh and 2000 sqft is huge imo Smilie

No, it's clearly the microwave. Within seconds of running it, the connection drops, then after it stops about 30 seconds later it reconnects.


I guess I can look into the ethernet solution. I already use Powerline for a few things, but it's my understanding those also drop speed in half. I want a solution that gives us the full speed we pay for.
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change the channel 1, 6, or 11 only.
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No, it's clearly the microwave. Within seconds of running it, the connection drops, then after it stops about 30 seconds later it reconnects.


I guess I can look into the ethernet solution. I already use Powerline for a few things, but it's my understanding those also drop speed in half. I want a solution that gives us the full speed we pay for.
I believe that your microwave is interfering. My point was check your microwave for microwave leaks. A normal microwave with no leaks should not down your wifi, that was what I thought was a myth. If no microwaves leak out, there is no interference was my understanding, I could be wrong though.

As for the powerline adapters they have higher rated ones for more throughput unless they all cut the connection in half no matter what etc (which seems odd because ethernet can transfer up to 1000Mbps, or gigabit, cutting that in half would be 500Mbps and not be a bottleneck, I would think the rating on the power line adapter would be the bottleneck).

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Pr...lsrc=aw.ds

I see two reviews on this. one is saying they need to still test if it will do over 100Mb/s (making me think they hit a pretty high number) while the other states they could only get 33Mb/s upload or download via 'speed tests'. Thats some phenominal internet if their upload speed is expected to be higher than 33Mb/s imo.

When I am in doubt I look for walmarts 90 day return policy for a rescue.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/NETGEA...e/45611933

Doesn't do what you need it to, or it does but found it cheaper else where? Return and rebuy with a price match (unless they do the price match)
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I believe that your microwave is interfering. My point was check your microwave for microwave leaks. A normal microwave with no leaks should not down your wifi, that was what I thought was a myth. If no microwaves leak out, there is no interference was my understanding, I could be wrong though.

As for the powerline adapters they have higher rated ones for more throughput unless they all cut the connection in half no matter what etc (which seems odd because ethernet can transfer up to 1000Mbps, or gigabit, cutting that in half would be 500Mbps and not be a bottleneck, I would think the rating on the power line adapter would be the bottleneck).

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Pr...lsrc=aw.ds

I see two reviews on this. one is saying they need to still test if it will do over 100Mb/s (making me think they hit a pretty high number) while the other states they could only get 33Mb/s upload or download via 'speed tests'. Thats some phenominal internet if their upload speed is expected to be higher than 33Mb/s imo.

When I am in doubt I look for walmarts 90 day return policy for a rescue.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/NETGEA...e/45611933

Doesn't do what you need it to, or it does but found it cheaper else where? Return and rebuy with a price match (unless they do the price match)
Microwave interference is a real thing. I have the problem on my 2.4ghz network and an older tablet while in the kitchen only. It's an older microwave but just keeps on going.
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Microwave interference is a real thing. I have the problem on my 2.4ghz network and an older tablet while in the kitchen only. It's an older microwave but just keeps on going.
Again I don't doubt that but I am saying a normal microwave does not let the microwaves leave the actual casing of the microwave.

so if you can put a wifi device playing a video in there and close the door it should lose wifi. if it does not it's leaking microwaves. that's my understanding. those are probably not good going through your home/you lol.

I have a microwave right above my router and no issues with interference. I don't like it's there but my home is much much smaller than op's
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Again I don't doubt that but I am saying a normal microwave does not let the microwaves leave the actual casing of the microwave.

so if you can put a wifi device playing a video in there and close the door it should lose wifi. if it does not it's leaking microwaves. that's my understanding. those are probably not good going through your home/you lol.

I have a microwave right above my router and no issues with interference. I don't like it's there but my home is much much smaller than op's
Yes in theory the leaking isn't good but its pretty common and generally not harmful. http://blog.serverfault.com/2012/...fi-part-2/

Personally don't stand right in front of the door with my nose on the door waiting for it to ding, I generally walk away and do other things while something is heating so if there was any danger it's been reduced.
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Yes in theory the leaking isn't good but its pretty common and generally not harmful. http://blog.serverfault.com/2012/...fi-part-2/

Personally don't stand right in front of the door with my nose on the door waiting for it to ding, I generally walk away and do other things while something is heating so if there was any danger it's been reduced.
agreed but if it knocks out your WiFi I personally feel that's harmful lol.
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Again I don't doubt that but I am saying a normal microwave does not let the microwaves leave the actual casing of the microwave.

so if you can put a wifi device playing a video in there and close the door it should lose wifi. if it does not it's leaking microwaves. that's my understanding. those are probably not good going through your home/you lol.
Most microwaves have some leakage, how much varies. Your test really isn't that accurate.

I find choosing either channel 1 or 11 usually reduces interference from microwaves the most.
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