Why can't Texas's hispanics just get ID's to vote?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/13...ted=1&_r=1

Only reason I could see were if they were not citizens but I thought you had to be one to vote?

I don't see why this should be an issue.

Quote from nizzy1115 : http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/13...ted=1&_r=1 Only reason I could see were if they were not citizens but I thought you had to be one to vote? I don't see why this should be an issue.

It's because a certain demographic wants to continue to allow voter fraud (which includes allowing illegals to vote)...

Funny thing is that you have to have a voter card (which is separate from the normal ID) to vote in Mexico so while it's "too difficult" for them to get a card in the US to vote back in Mexico it's just the norm.

It's just F'ing ridiculous that they continue to allow this shit to happen.

My question, regardless of race, is how the fark do they register to vote? What, we just accept people on their word alone!?!?!?!? Uhm, jes, my name is Marcus Oleander and I'm an American citizen and I'd like to be a registered voter. BAM, that's it! Utterly F'ing ridiculous. If people can't be bothered to go and get a D/L or an ID card to prove who they are than they shouldn't be allowed to vote IMO. They're not even asking for a voter ID card in this instance, it's just present some visual form of identification that shows who you are!!!!!!!!

I mean, really in this day and age some find it acceptable that people can't be bothered to go and get an ID!?!?!?!? I can't wait until every household in this country is provided, at taxpayer expense, an attendant who will wipe your ass after you take a crap...

Quote from LivninSC : It's because a certain demographic wants to continue to allow voter fraud (which includes allowing illegals to vote)... Funny thing is that you have to have a voter card (which is separate from the normal ID) to vote in Mexico so while it's "too difficult" for them to get a card in the US to vote back in Mexico it's just the norm. It's just F'ing ridiculous that they continue to allow this shit to happen. My question, regardless of race, is how the fark do they register to vote? What, we just accept people on their word alone!?!?!?!? Uhm, jes, my name is Marcus Oleander and I'm an American citizen and I'd like to be a registered voter. BAM, that's it! Utterly F'ing ridiculous. If people can't be bothered to go and get a D/L or an ID card to prove who they are than they shouldn't be allowed to vote IMO. They're not even asking for a voter ID card in this instance, it's just present some visual form of identification that shows who you are!!!!!!!! I mean, really in this day and age some find it acceptable that people can't be bothered to go and get an ID!?!?!?!? I can't wait until every household in this country is provided, at taxpayer expense, an attendant who will wipe your ass after you take a crap...

Once again mis-framing the problem. There is a big difference between requiring identification to register and actually having it with you at the polls. Voters are made to verify their identification before registering to vote - often with ID, Social Security card, or Birth Certificate. Voter roles are regularly verified, scrubbed, and challenged. Often times Republicans have even 'scrubbed' legit names off the roles without time to fix the problem before election time (this has been especially popular in my state of Florida).


The question recently has been about requiring specific ID at the polling centers. This has never been demonstrated to prevent voter fraud at the polls. Of the cases to make news in the last few years, all verified voter fraud has been conducted either by election officials behind closed doors or via absentee ballots (which don't require ID checks). Who in their right mind would actually walk into a polling center and risk huge penalties, jail time, or deportation to simply cast a single ballot. However, requiring IDs more heavily dis-favors voters who either don't have or don't regularly carry one (the elderly, the young, and the urban). This is not the same thing as disenfranchising, but it is very partisan - and certainly not designed to protect the sanctity of voting.

Quote from LivninSC : It's because a certain demographic wants to continue to allow voter fraud (which includes allowing illegals to vote)...

The problem with your assertion is that there is little to no evidence that there is any significant voter fraud.

It is just too difficult to keep large scale voter fraud secret cause too many people know about it; that's why any significant vote fraud occurs during vote counting.

Quote from ShengD : Once again mis-framing the problem. There is a big difference between requiring identification to register and actually having it with you at the polls.

You mean like pulling it out of your wallet different? I'm sorry but if you can't be bothered to have your ID on you than you shouldn't be able to vote. Proving who you are isn't that friggin hard and anybody who says it is truly is nothing more than lazy.

There is nothing stopping someone from registering and then someone else going in to vote. Sure the stories you hear about are the bigger cases but please don't be so naive to think as voter fraud at the individual level doesn't happen... Hell, you don't even need a photo ID to register to vote in Texas. Just find out someones last 4 digits of his SS# and you're set! It's not like there aren't 10,000s of people out there who have access to that information, atleast on an individual by individual basis...

No problem here, keep moving along, nothing to see...

Serious question here. If carrying your ID around is such a big hassle how is it acceptable to ask for it when registering to vote (assuming you're not using the last 4 of your SS#)? I mean wouldn't that "disproportionately suppress Hispanics" as well??? It can be asked for years earlier but not when actually voting. Puhhhhhhhlease

Quote from 124nic8 : The problem with your assertion is that there is little to no evidence that there is any significant voter fraud.

The one and only reason to ban photo ID at election booths is fraud.
And it's not that hard to figure out which political party is interested in voter fraud.

Quote from Intrnt Explorer : The one and only reason to ban photo ID at election booths is fraud.

That's only your opinion. There are other reasons you ignore.

Quote : And it's not that hard to figure out which political party is interested in voter fraud.

It's not that hard to figure out which Party is interested in discouraging minorities from voting.

Quote from LivninSC : You mean like pulling it out of your wallet different? I'm sorry but if you can't be bothered to have your ID on you than you shouldn't be able to vote. Proving who you are isn't that friggin hard and anybody who says it is truly is nothing more than lazy.

No the difference is that registering to vote isn't particularly time-sensitive - if you don't have the information, you can come back later. However, if you don't have your ID on voting day, it may not be possible for many to retrieve it in time. I would have more sympathy for the Republicans' arguments if they weren't simultaneously (1) eliminating early voting periods in many states, (2) specifically targeting students by requiring them to vote in their parent's counties (not where they are actually living), and (3) specifically targeting last-minute challenges of minority voters from the roles without time for resolution before an election [wikipedia.org].


All of these actions are designed to prevent voter turnout (for the other candidate). The Voter ID at the poll laws are no different. These laws have not been shown to be fixing any demonstrable problem, yet they will have collateral consequences favoring one party. As the saying goes: "If it ain't broke, don't 'fix' it."

Quote from 124nic8 : That's only your opinion. There are other reasons you ignore. It's not that hard to figure out which Party is interested in discouraging minorities from voting.

Your "minorities" without ID can't get a real, tax-paying job, can't rent an apartment, can't get a bus/train pass, can't go to college, can't drive a car, can't buy a car, can't buy a house, can't buy alcohol, can't buy cigarettes, can't go to a bar, can't gamble at a casino, can't buy a plane ticket, etc., etc...

...but CAN vote as many times as they want. Ooooooh, I get it now!!.

basically, Holder decided Texas is guilty until proven innocent....the typical Obama administration actions of thug chicago politics....no court, no judge, no trial, no jury...just Holder and Obama convicting whom they please, and acquitting whom they please (as in the case of the Black Panthers) as it suits their political ideology.

Quote from ShengD : No the difference is that registering to vote isn't particularly time-sensitive - if you don't have the information, you can come back later. However, if you don't have your ID on voting day, it may not be possible for many to retrieve it in time. I would have more sympathy for the Republicans' arguments if they weren't simultaneously (1) eliminating early voting periods in many states, (2) specifically targeting students by requiring them to vote in their parent's counties (not where they are actually living), and (3) specifically targeting last-minute challenges of minority voters from the roles without time for resolution before an election [wikipedia.org].

Sorry, all I get out of this is that you think it's too hard for people to pull an ID out of their pocket to vote and understand that is your position.

You make it sound like it's a lost dog and you're putting up flyers all over town trying to track down your ID when it should be next to your butt cheek or hip...

And what's wrong with students voting in their parents counties? If someone is a dependent of someone I'm more than fine with them needing to vote where their parents reside. If they want to vote on their own than don't be a dependent. I'm sure there are lots of people out there who if the law was written as you see fit would have an issue with it as they don't care about the place they're just attending school at for 8 months a year...

Requiring students to vote in their parent's counties?? Is this nationwide?

Quote from LivninSC : Sorry, all I get out of this is that you think it's too hard for people to pull an ID out of their pocket to vote and understand that is your position.

I understand that from the point of view of a rural or suburban citizen, you'd never think to leave the house without your driver's license. But if you don't need to drive everywhere you go, the connection isn't as automatic. Not to mention that many people (especially the elderly) can't drive.

Quote from LivninSC : And what's wrong with students voting in their parents counties? If someone is a dependent of someone I'm more than fine with them needing to vote where their parents reside. If they want to vote on their own than don't be a dependent. I'm sure there are lots of people out there who if the law was written as you see fit would have an issue with it as they don't care about the place they're just attending school at for 8 months a year...

Are you really defending this proposal. Why would a student who lives hours away (or in another state) as their Parent be required to vote in that other county. Most students live at their University all year (except for short visits). Elections are more than just about the President - there are state and county issues too. At my University, students made up >50% of the entire county's population.

Quote from WindySummer : Requiring students to vote in their parent's counties?? Is this nationwide?

No, but it is being tested out in a Republican state legislature. But as with the Voter ID laws, if it can pass muster in one state, it will be brought up and spread through other state legislatures shortly.