Post-Debate Discussion (formally Pre)

Quote from Hawk2007 : FOX NEWS' CHRIS WALLACE: I've Never Seen A Candidate As Disrespectful As Joe Biden Was Tonight [/url] http://www.businessinsider.com/ch...ng-2012-10 FYI --- before you starting beat the "...buttt!!! .... buttt!!!" It's FAUX NEWSZZ!!!!!!" Chris Wallace, son of..... Mike Wallace? Son of a big-big-big-time liberal at CBS. Chris Wallace definitely is a liberal as well. Walter Cronkite is perhaps the only bigger name at CBS News unless one of y'all can ring a bell on a bigger journalist.

Liberal my ass.

He may be the closest thing Fox news has to a legitimate journalist, but he's no liberal.

Quote from Radeck : In that case do you consider Biden a hypocrite as well, since he said he accepts his Catholic church teaching to the same effect, but that he doesn't want to impose his personal view on the country as a whole? Or did you miss that part entirely in you blind zeal to criticize Ryan ?

I generally consider almost everyone's stance on abortion to be hypocritical, but Biden is the one to whom I was specifically referring. It would have been clearer but I forgot to include quotes, and the thread moved very quickly as I was typing. Of course, you probably missed the idea that I could see some grey in the issue in your "blind zeal" to do whatever it is you were trying to do here. Don't feel bad, though, an unapologetic liberal bashed that very same post a few pages back in a similarly incomprehensible way.

I also, of course, consider it hypocritical to say that it's ok to kill a child because his mother was raped, though, so even though I wasn't specifically referring to Ryan, he's certainly not consistent here either. At least the position of some ultra-liberal activists (that it doesn't matter if the fetus is a person or not, because a woman has the right to kill it because it's basically a parasite), despite being reprehensible to me, is internally consistent.

Quote from Hawk2007 : Wasn't Houston supposed to be opening the largest abortion center in Texas in the mostly hispanic/black section of town?

I could give a long winded explanation about it's located where three boroughs of the city come together but do you really care ? Probably not.

Quote from Notquiteclapton : I Don't feel bad, though, an unapologetic liberal bashed that very same post a few pages back in a similarly incomprehensible way.

Jesus. All I did was give you the canned lib answer. Continue with your holier than thou pity party.

Quote from loop610bob : Jesus. All I did was give you the canned lib answer. Continue with your holier than thou pity party.

If that was a tongue in cheek answer, the sarcasm went way over my head :p

I was actually a bit proud that one post managed to be dismissed as over the top conservatism by a liberal and blind liberal hatred by a conservative. If you weren't serious (or if you aren't actually liberal), my dreams have been shattered.

‎"If a wise man contends with a foolish man,
Whether the fool rages or laughs, there is no peace.." Proverbs 29:9

Nuff said...

Quote from Xygonn : Tie. Biden was attacking but also looked like a douche with that smile on. Paul Ryan was over-prepared. Many of his statements had a sort of "I've practices this in the mirror 100 times" type of delivery. In the end neither looked particularly bad or good. This will not change the momentum in the race.

And when a right-winger says its a tie, it means the Democrat won. Biden kicked his butt

Quote from loop610bob : FiveThirtyEight:

For what its worth, the CNN poll oversampled Republicans 2 points higher than Democrats (33 vs. 31%) while the CBS poll oversampled Democrats 8 points (or 50% higher) than Republicans (25 vs 17%). It seems like if you look at the CNN, it lines up more with the general public with one third D, one third R, and the remaining third I, with a slightly right of center leaning.

The CBS had far more independents but oversampled the democratic base by 50% greater than the conservative base so I think it is less accurate when compared to the general populace and it highly suspect and inaccurate. The CNN poll better reflects the country and basically while Ryan won it, it was within the margin of error. With that said, it is no wonder both sides thought they won because it seemed it was pretty much a stalemate. If you liked Ryan, you thought he won. If you liked Biden, you thought he won. One's subjectivity dictated the winner while at least the poll shows scientifically that it was most likely a stalemate.

The snapshot poll gave a good picture of what viewers thought immediately following the debate. The upcoming polls will reflect what those thought after listening to their respective news station opine on the performances. If you watch MSNBC, you will be told how aggressive and powerful Biden seemed. If you watch Fox News, you will be told how Ryan stuck to stats and Biden smurked, grimmaced, and interrupted constantly.

Ultimately, no one will be swayed on which President they will vote on based on the debate of Vice Presidents. Both camps will use it to structure their next two debates but ultimately when it comes to the VP, no one cares. They either supported your beliefs or they had no effect. We aren't voting for the VP of the U.S., but POTUS!

Quote from paperboy05 : Did anyone else here Biden claim he voted against the Wars and against the Medicare expansion during Bush's admin?

Yep.

Biden only voted against Medicare Part D because it didn't go far enough foir his liking.

Quote from EscapeVelo : Yep. Biden only voted against Medicare Part D because it didn't go far enough foir his liking.

Seems like he voted 'Yea' on that bill.

http://votesmart.org/candidate/ke...e-biden-jr

Only one he voted 'Nay' was for the tax cut bill.

Quote from EscapeVelo : Yep. Biden only voted against Medicare Part D because it didn't go far enough foir his liking.

Where's the link on that?

Quote from paperboy05 : Did anyone else here Biden claim he voted against the Wars and against the Medicare expansion during Bush's admin?

he certainly did...yet another outright brazen lie to the clueless who dont bother to check and find out he actually VOTED FOR BOTH Afghanistan AND Iraq war authorizations [weeklystandard.com]. What a dirt bag.

Quote from Rebound : And when a right-winger says its a tie, it means the Democrat won. Biden kicked his butt

Right... I'm a "left leaning" libertarian if we have to label things (think, I'm for more government than a typical libertarian and in particular believe in anti-monopoly regulation which might put me full stop out of the typical libertarian circle). I'm voting Johnson though.

Keep these things in mind when reading my statements. The less biased news outlets are calling it a tie.

Quote : (Reuters) - The debate between Vice President Joe Biden and Republican challenger Paul Ryan might not change the minds of many voters. In fact, it could make them less likely to change. But Democrats and Republicans found plenty to cheer about on Thursday, and plenty of reasons to believe that the other side is more misguided than ever. If the two men fought to a draw - as conflicting post-debate polls seem to suggest - that counts as a win for Biden and his boss, Democratic President Barack Obama, who needed to stop the bleeding after his lackluster debate performance last week against Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney. Biden's aggressive performance is sure to cheer Democratic partisans who worried that their side wasn't fighting with enough passion. It also could have been a preview of Obama's approach on Tuesday in his second debate against Romney. "If you had to call winner right now, I'd say it's a draw," said David Steinberg, a debate coach and communications professor at the University of Miami. "But a tie goes to the incumbent."

I agree that a tie is a strategic win for the Democrats. I predict this debate will have no impact on the polls.

Quote from Hawk2007 : FOX NEWS' CHRIS WALLACE: I've Never Seen A Candidate As Disrespectful As Joe Biden Was Tonight [/url] http://www.businessinsider.com/ch...ng-2012-10 FYI --- before you starting beat the "...buttt!!! .... buttt!!!" It's FAUX NEWSZZ!!!!!!" Chris Wallace, son of..... Mike Wallace? Son of a big-big-big-time liberal at CBS. Chris Wallace definitely is a liberal as well. Walter Cronkite is perhaps the only bigger name at CBS News unless one of y'all can ring a bell on a bigger journalist.

Chris Wallace is not a liberal. He is what passes for a liberal at Fox....

He has drunk the Fox kool aid, and routinely discriminates against Democrats on his show.

Edit: junkie beat me to it.