Hypothetical Gun Ban

This is all hypothetical, and I'm looking for reasonable positions.

So let's assume there is a public referendum that polls Americans, and there is 100% turn out. The question on the ballot: Should guns classified as assault rifles (and let's assume there are some very specific classifications listed) be banned?

The plan offers a clear solvency for removal of the guns, whereby some funded program is set to reimburse for the guns and ammo. Just turn them in to your local police station, where private citizens will oversee the smelting of the guns into toy Bucky Balls, which were again legalized.

The plan passes by a wide enough margin, let's say 65-35.

So the question - would you turn in your arms?

Maybe we could try it out on Black Americans first. A little experiment to see how it goes over.

That way it would be targeted at the group with the highest rates of gun violence, and we can see how it works.

The problem is with your premise. This has come up time and time again. "Assault" rifle has a very nebulous "definition" whereby minor changes to the design which don't affect lethality (presumably the reason for the ban) all of a sudden make the rifle legal. In another thread, which will be hard to find since there are pages and pages of posts, someone posted photos, side by side, of an AR-15 type weapon (E.g. what most people would picture if you said "assault rifle") and another rifle of the same caliber, magazine capacity, etc (for all intents and purposes the same lethal gun) except it looked more like grandpa's hunting rifle. One is legal and people want to make the other illegal.

This isn't minutiae, it's a genuine point of contention.

And no, I don't own a single long gun let alone an AR15.

The mass shootings in 2012, as pulled from http://www.thenation.com/blog/171...12-84-dead:

February 22, 2012—Five people were killed in at a Korean health spa in Norcross, Georgia, when a man opened fire inside the facility in an act suspected to be related to domestic violence.

A .45 ACP pistol was used. These often don't exceed 10 rounds, +/- 3 rounds.

February 26, 2012—Multiple gunmen began firing into a nightclub crown in Jackson, Tennessee, killing one person and injuring 20 others.

A group of three people fired pistols into a crowd.

February 27, 2012—Three students at Chardon High School in rural Ohio were killed when a classmate opened fire.

Student used a .22 caliber pistol, and fired 10 rounds.

March 8, 2012—Two people were killed and seven wounded at a psychiatric hospital in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, when a gunman entered the hospital with two semiautomatic handguns and began firing.

Pistols, again.

March 31, 2012—A gunman opened fire on a crowd of mourners at a North Miami, Florida, funeral home, killing two people and injuring 12 others.

In this one, gang members used an "assault rifle" and pistol to shoot into the wake of a man with connections to several gangs, many of whose members were in the crowd.

April 2, 2012—A 43-year-old former student at Oikos University in Oakland, California, walked into his former school and killed seven people, “execution-style.” Three people were wounded.

Shooter used a .45 pistol with four 10-round magazines.

April 6, 2012—Two men went on a deadly shooting spree in Tulsa, Oklahoma, shooting black men at random in an apparently racially motivated attack. Three men died and two were wounded.

All I've been able to find was that a "small-caliber" weapon was used. I'm not sure if the weapon was actually ever recovered.

May 29, 2012—A man in Seattle, Washington, opened fire in a coffee shop and killed five people and then himself.

Shooter used two .45 caliber pistols.

July 9, 2012—At a soccer tournament in Wilmington, Delaware, three people were killed, including a 16-year-old player and the event organizer, when multiple gunmen began firing shots, apparently targeting the organizer.

No indication of what was used in any reports, but it was most likely pistols due to the dynamics of the shootings.

July 20, 2012—James Holmes enters a midnight screening of The Dark Knight Rises and opens fire with a semi-automatic weapon; twelve people are killed and fifty-eight are wounded.

One AR-15, two Glocks, and a shotgun were used. The AR-15 was using a drum magazine and allegedly fired less than 30 rounds before jamming. The shotgun and a Glock 22 were mainly used.

August 5, 2012—A white supremacist and former Army veteran shot six people to death inside a Sikh temple in suburban Milwaukee, Wisconsin, before killing himself.

A Springfield XDm 9mm pistol was used.

August 14, 2012—Three people were killed at Texas A&M University when a 35-year-old man went on a shooting rampage; one of the dead was a police officer.

A Glock 22 (.40) was used in this shooting.

September 27, 2012—A 36-year-old man who had just been laid off from Accent Signage Systems in Minneapolis, Minnesota, entered his former workplace and shot five people to death, and wounded three others before killing himself.

A 9mm Glock was used in this shooting.

October 21, 2012—45-year-old Radcliffe Frankin Haughton shot three women to death, including his wife, Zina Haughton, and injured four others at a spa in Brookfield, Wisconsin, before killing himself.

An unnamed pistol was used in this shooting.

December 11, 2012—A 22-year-old began shooting at random at a mall near Portland, Oregon, killing two people and then himself.

The man used an AR-15 that jammed.

December 14, 2012—One man, and possibly more, murders a reported twenty-six people at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, including twenty children, before killing himself.

An AR-15 and two pistols were used.

Baby steps. Obama will get to banning handguns after he is done banning scary looking rifles. He supported a total handgun ban back when he was a senator. Now that Barry is prez he will make it a reality.

So do you have any data to suggest there is more violence resulting from the usage of AR-15 style weapons vs pistols and handguns?

No. It's our 2nd ammendment right to be able to protect our life. Look at chiago crime rate. There's no guns allowed there. Yet somehow crime exploded and criminals still find a way to get them. You have a higher chance of getting struck by lightneen or killed by bacteria in a hospital than getting shot during a masacare. rant over sorry for spelling error's

No, because we have a Constitutional Republic, not mob rule. If the Constitution were amended, I'd think about it.

Quote from EscapeVelo : Maybe we could try it out on Black Americans first. A little experiment to see how it goes over. That way it would be targeted at the group with the highest rates of gun violence, and we can see how it works.

Ok, I have to say that 2 hours later I'm shocked this hasn't been hidden or deleted by a mod.

Quote from WasteU : . rant over sorry for spelling error's

Quote from LivninSC : Ok, I have to say that 2 hours later I'm shocked this hasn't been hidden or deleted by a mod.

If it wasn't for who posted it, i think most would think that was a joke. Its better for people to see him in all of his glory than to shelter others from his hatred of anyone besides puritanical white christian Americans.

Quote from LivninSC : Ok, I have to say that 2 hours later I'm shocked this hasn't been hidden or deleted by a mod.

The mods are bright enough to recognize the parallel he is drawing between denying people's 2nd Amendment rights and their 14th Amendment rights.

Quote from BigBananaMess : The mods are bright enough to recognize the parallel he is drawing between denying people's 2nd Amendment rights and their 14th Amendment rights.

That true EV?

Lol the Brady campaign is not a protector of the second amendment. They don't even understand what it is. Go to their website and you'll see that they share the same opinion as Barry, guns are for hunting and sporting purposes. If a gun doesn't have a hunting or sporting purpose it shouldn't be privately owned.

The Brady campaign supports the regulation, registration, and eventual ban of ALL handguns. It's a joke that people thik the NRA is some sort of fringe organization when they protect us from these sort of nut jobs.

Quote from Resident037 : Why you should "LIKE" the "Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence

I've already responded to your previous post on this pointing out the lies in the graphic they present, where they show just the raw number of victims without any context such as % of population of % of crimes, where the USA has more population than all the other countries listed COMBINED.

Also, stop spamming every thread with this lie and doctored statistics.