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Spectrum Router Is Really Intrusive

7,252 884 October 15, 2018 at 10:00 PM
I recently replaced my own modem and router with ones that Spectrum provided, the modem so I could take full advantage of my 200/10 plan's speeds, the router to hopefully fix some internet issues we'd been having as my router was kind of old. Turned out to not be the router (signal issues upstream), but I kept the router installed. But then I found out some weird capabilities it has.

For one thing, when you change its default browser-based admin pages ID and password, and set your WiFi SSIDs and passwords, turns out that these are all accessible by Spectrum remotely. I found this out when I logged into my Spectrum account and saw them in plain text in my browser!

And almost as bad, when I was on the phone with a tech tonight, she was able to see all the devices on my home network, including type of device, their names, how they were connected to the router, etc. I bet they could also see their MAC addresses. That just seemed weird.

Why should they be able or need to see what's on my network? That's none of their business. They're supposed to connect me to the internet, period. Even worse, why can they see my my WiFi SSIDs and passwords? Why are they even able to see these?

I assume that this is all enabled by their router, so I'm switching back to my own, reliable router, even though it's several years old and not up to the latest standards. Since it turned out that the router wasn't what was causing the outages, I should be ok in going back to it.

Anyone else see this with their Spectrum or other ISP-supplied router, and am I being too paranoid?
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10-15-2018 at 11:59 PM.
10-15-2018 at 11:59 PM.
Quote from KMan :
I recently replaced my own modem and router with ones that Spectrum provided, the modem so I could take full advantage of my 200/10 plan's speeds, the router to hopefully fix some internet issues we'd been having as my router was kind of old. Turned out to not be the router (signal issues upstream), but I kept the router installed. But then I found out some weird capabilities it has.

For one thing, when you change its default browser-based admin pages ID and password, and set your WiFi SSIDs and passwords, turns out that these are all accessible by Spectrum remotely. I found this out when I logged into my Spectrum account and saw them in plain text in my browser!

And almost as bad, when I was on the phone with a tech tonight, she was able to see all the devices on my home network, including type of device, their names, how they were connected to the router, etc. I bet they could also see their MAC addresses. That just seemed weird.

Why should they be able or need to see what's on my network? That's none of their business. They're supposed to connect me to the internet, period. Even worse, why can they see my my WiFi SSIDs and passwords? Why are they even able to see these?

I assume that this is all enabled by their router, so I'm switching back to my own, reliable router, even though it's several years old and not up to the latest standards. Since it turned out that the router wasn't what was causing the outages, I should be ok in going back to it.

Anyone else see this with their Spectrum or other ISP-supplied router, and am I being too paranoid?
It's worse. The woman you spoke to was probably holding in a giggle after looking over your porn browsing history.
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ikonoklast
10-16-2018 at 05:32 AM.
10-16-2018 at 05:32 AM.
Thanks for highlighting this as I had no idea they could do this. Another reason not to use their crappy equipment.

You might want to repost this in The Tech section, I am sure people there would appreciate the info.
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10-16-2018 at 05:38 AM.
10-16-2018 at 05:38 AM.
spectrum blows
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KMan
10-16-2018 at 06:08 AM.
10-16-2018 at 06:08 AM.
Quote from fsyowad :
It's worse. The woman you spoke to was probably holding in a giggle after looking over your porn browsing history.
No doubt, but it was the GOOD kind! LMAO
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10-16-2018 at 06:09 AM.
10-16-2018 at 06:09 AM.
Quote from ikonoklast :
Thanks for highlighting this as I had no idea they could do this. Another reason not to use their crappy equipment.

You might want to repost this in The Tech section, I am sure people there would appreciate the info.
I thought the tech section was about tech issues with this site only.
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10-16-2018 at 06:21 AM.
10-16-2018 at 06:21 AM.
Btw in addition to this, Spectrum's default response to any internet issues I've had was to say that the signal's fine and has been for the past few weeks, the modem's fine, it's your router, use ours and your problems should go away.

Not buying it but figuring it was worth trying, as my router was kind of old, I installed their router. But even with their router, the problems came back. But the tech keep blaming the router, the latest one saying that I had too many devices on the 2.4Ghz band (which she kept referriing to as the 2G network, initially confusing me).

This didn't sound right, as I actually have 2 routers, the main one connected to the modem, and a wired extender in another room, and devices balance out in which router they connect to. Plus I've had this setup for months now without a problem, and most of our devices are low-traffic, e.g. WiFi switches or Home Minis.

From what I understand any decent modern router of say 600 or higher should be able to handle 5 or 6 devices at once at the very least, provided that they're not all streaming at high speeds at once, which they aren't in our home network. Our high data usage devices are 2 Fire Sticks, a Roku, a PC, and a laptop, but there's rarely a case where more than 2 are in use at the same time.

So, not only are they able to spy on your network, they're giving bad tech advice.
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10-16-2018 at 07:08 AM.
10-16-2018 at 07:08 AM.
Quote from KMan :
I thought the tech section was about tech issues with this site only.
Nope, Tech Support is for general tech questions and advice. There's a separate one, Site Questions, Issues, and Suggestions that's for SD-specific issues.
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10-16-2018 at 07:39 AM.
10-16-2018 at 07:39 AM.
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Nope, Tech Support is for general tech questions and advice. There's a separate one, Site Questions, Issues, and Suggestions that's for SD-specific issues.
Thanks!
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10-16-2018 at 07:42 AM.
10-16-2018 at 07:42 AM.
My ISP provides a combo Router/Modem. I then hang my Router off of that to isolate my equipment from their prying eyes.
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ProfessorChaos
10-16-2018 at 11:19 AM.
10-16-2018 at 11:19 AM.
OP, I think you need to PM katsung to ask about the true extent of the surveillance capabilities of Spectrum in alliance with "the Feds." It'll be eye-opening for you.

And watch out for your sewage, too. They're sampling that to see what drugs you're on.
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emelvee
10-16-2018 at 01:18 PM.
10-16-2018 at 01:18 PM.
I understand that a speculum is very intrusive as well.
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10-16-2018 at 05:09 PM.
10-16-2018 at 05:09 PM.
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I understand that a speculum is very intrusive as well.

Flashbacks to your last pelvic exam, MLV?

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10-16-2018 at 06:32 PM.
10-16-2018 at 06:32 PM.
Quote from ProfessorChaos :
OP, I think you need to PM katsung to ask about the true extent of the surveillance capabilities of Spectrum in alliance with "the Feds." It'll be eye-opening for you.

And watch out for your sewage, too. They're sampling that to see what drugs you're on.
Haha, real funny. Because telcoms are such great corporate citizens...
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10-16-2018 at 06:53 PM.
10-16-2018 at 06:53 PM.
Quote from KMan :
I recently replaced my own modem and router with ones that Spectrum provided, the modem so I could take full advantage of my 200/10 plan's speeds, the router to hopefully fix some internet issues we'd been having as my router was kind of old. Turned out to not be the router (signal issues upstream), but I kept the router installed. But then I found out some weird capabilities it has.

For one thing, when you change its default browser-based admin pages ID and password, and set your WiFi SSIDs and passwords, turns out that these are all accessible by Spectrum remotely. I found this out when I logged into my Spectrum account and saw them in plain text in my browser!

And almost as bad, when I was on the phone with a tech tonight, she was able to see all the devices on my home network, including type of device, their names, how they were connected to the router, etc. I bet they could also see their MAC addresses. That just seemed weird.

Why should they be able or need to see what's on my network? That's none of their business. They're supposed to connect me to the internet, period. Even worse, why can they see my my WiFi SSIDs and passwords? Why are they even able to see these?

I assume that this is all enabled by their router, so I'm switching back to my own, reliable router, even though it's several years old and not up to the latest standards. Since it turned out that the router wasn't what was causing the outages, I should be ok in going back to it.

Anyone else see this with their Spectrum or other ISP-supplied router, and am I being too paranoid?
You are not paranoid at all. I have Cablevision/Optimum and found the same issue.

I solved it by putting my own router between their router and my devices. So it goes:

-----Their Modem - Their Router - My Router - My devices

FYI - They still see your internet traffic unless you set up a VPN.

Also, if they offer you an upgrade to the "combination modem/router" you might want to decline or do some research before accepting. It is technically difficult to stick your own router in since they combine the set top boxes with remote access points. You are also limited to only using their boxes for any cable based services (for example, using a TIVO and a cablecard is not possible).
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