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Did not see this publicized anywhere but a family member sent me an article. You are opted in unless you opt out. May have until June 8th to opt out. See instructions below:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2...neighbors/
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2...neighbors/
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Looks like if you don't have currently enabled Amazon Sidewalk devices, you won't have the option in your Alexa setting to turn it off(?)
So later on additional device become enabled, you need to turn off Amazon Sidewalk at that time??? Meaning if Amazon suddenly enable older gen Echo (or other device currently not in the list) to act as sidewalk, then at later time, the option to turn it off will be available and someone need to remind you to turn off sidewalk???
Or in the future you buy newer echo devices, then need to remind yourself to turn off sidewalk at that time....
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So later on additional device become enabled, you need to turn off Amazon Sidewalk at that time??? Meaning if Amazon suddenly enable older gen Echo (or other device currently not in the list) to act as sidewalk, then at later time, the option to turn it off will be available and someone need to remind you to turn off sidewalk???
Or in the future you buy newer echo devices, then need to remind yourself to turn off sidewalk at that time....
OK. Find this. What Devices Are Sidewalk Enabled? As of June 2021, the following devices can act as Amazon Sidewalk bridges: Ring Floodlight Cam (2019) Ring Spotlight Cam Wired (2019) Ring Spotlight Cam Mount (2019) Echo (3rd gen and newer) Echo Dot (3rd gen and newer) Echo Dot for Kids (3rd gen and newer) Echo Dot with Clock (3rd gen and newer) Echo Plus (all generations) Echo Show (2nd gen) Echo Show 5, 8, 10 (all generations) Echo Spot Echo Studio Echo Input Echo Flex |
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If anything, other people are 'stealing' it from you, at the blazing fast 80kbps, only for Amazon devices, which is not really useful for a vast majority of things.
And if you don't opt out, you too can 'steal' bandwidth from others if your internet temporarily goes out.
So in exchange for letting others use your bandwidth to find your tile or use their dot while their internet is out, you also get to use their bandwidth if yours goes out.
Why people are thinking others are going to cancel their internet to mooch off yours when 80kbps will run through 500mb in less than 2 hours is beyond me.
This guy must work for Verizon or CenturyLink.
Agreed, though, that opt-in is still an issue. But I can also see this from Amazon's perspective - network is only as good as the live nodes it sits on, and most consumers aren't going to even notice it's on until it becomes useful to them.
Same issue, need to update the app for it to show.
if i sold you a car and afterwards told you that the car i sold you is a community car an don the flip side you get to drive cars that belong to other people, you would probably have an issue with that, because what I sold you is not the say as what you get.
amazon is pushing its luck . . . this will just end up backfiring like the rebate industry. you had good players and many scumbags, at the end the government stepped it and took out most of the industry (in europe they made mail in rebates illegal)
at the end, the government is going to step in an put a stop to all this bs. in france one has to opt-in to get unsolicited messages. more and more european countries are switching to opt-in and doing away with opt-out
That's a wall of text I'm not reading.
I'm not interested in stealing data, I intend to use it as it's supposed to be used, to get to piggyback off others' data -if my internet goes out- and let them do so in return.
That's more than I want to possibly share without getting paid.
Exactly! How much revenue is Amazon going to make from ancillary products that use this network? Pay me or GTFO.
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To turn the service off in the Alexa app, tap "More" in the lower right corner then Settings > Account Settings > Amazon Sidewalk. When you are on the Sidewalk page, simply turn the toggle switch next to "Enabled" to the off position.
In the Ring app, first tap the three lines in the upper left of the screen. Then tap Control Center > Sidewalk and tap the Sidewalk toggle switch. Confirm that you want to disable the service and you'll be all set.
There is a trove of articles, examples, and anecdotal evidence about Alexa spying and recording people with out their knowledge or consent. The richest man in the world, the third richest company, that despises worker's rights.
Amazon has made the prescient calculation long before it was announced- knowing the vast majority of working and middle class families won't even know about the option of opting.
If you can't see the forest through the trees then I assume you agree that warrant less wiretapping, "unlawful search and seizure" are good things in the hands of unregulated private industry.
We disagree.
First, let's discuss what Amazon Sidewalk is actually for and the whole purpose/idea behind it. Amazon Sidewalk is a shared network that aims solely to: "simplify new device setup, extend the working range of low-bandwidth devices, and help devices stay online, even if they are outside the range of the user's home wifi." What this means is that Amazon Sidewalk only shares your "internet" with Amazon IOT devices, known as "Sidewalk Endpoints"—like leak sensors, door locks, lights, etc. Other devices, like your neighbor's phone or tablet, are unable to connect to the network. And the term "internet" is used very loosely here, since Amazon Sidewalk only allows transmission of data to and from Amazon's Sidewalk Network Server—not the broader internet as speculated. (So these devices can only communicate with/through Amazon's services, like allowing a user to turn on and off their smart-controlled light through the Alexa app.) Packets sent from the Sidewalk Endpoint to the Sidewalk Network Server ("SNS") are all authenticated to ensure they come from only authorized Sidewalk devices (so any devices other than Amazon IOT devices cannot transmit any data over the network). The data that is being transmitted over the Sidewalk network is also secured through three layers of encryption, bolstering security and integrity of the data sent through the network. Through a variety of other techniques (if interested, read the whitepaper), Amazon Sidewalk accomplishes great security with minimal risks.
Fears that "the FBI will come knocking on my door if someone is using the service nefariously!" are really only warranted if Amazon Sidewalk was sharing the broader internet with other users, and as we have discussed, that is precisely what it does not do. While general wisdom does dictate that it is ill-advised to share your primary network/LAN (like sharing your Wi-Fi password with your neighbors) because sharing your IP address with your neighbor is unwise if they perform illegal or otherwise nefarious activity, it does not apply here, since Amazon Sidewalk does not permit data transmission to the broader internet—only through a single tunnel to the Sidewalk Network Server. The actual routing of traffic to its intended destination occurs from the Sidewalk Network Server, safely away from your home network, and only after the layers of protection and authentication have been verified.
But exactly what impact does it have on you if you keep it enabled? Not much—bandwidth is limited to 80Kbps, or 0.08Mbps—hardly anything of concern. In addition, total transmitted data is capped at 500MB per month, which is a very small sliver of the average user's data cap (if they have one)—for example, that 500MB represents just 0.04% of Xfinity's 1.2TB monthly data cap. Furthermore, the Amazon Sidewalk also has the potential to benefit yourself. The entire purpose and idea of the network is to provide a connection to IOT devices that are too far away from the typical owner's network to function, but providing them life by being able to "borrow" a small sliver of your neighbor's, so that it can function. For example, if you put a garage camera at the edge of your property, under normal circumstances, if it was too far away from your normal Wi-Fi network, you would be out of luck. But now, it can, by taking that incredibly small sliver of resources from someone else's network. Once all of the details of the plan are uncovered, it does seem like a win for everyone, given that the network is (a) fully secure, (b) takes nearly no bandwidth from the host, and (c) allows the user to have a functioning IOT device where not possible before. And if these small considerations are still too much for you, they do give you the option to disable it.
First, let's discuss what Amazon Sidewalk is actually for and the whole purpose/idea behind it. Amazon Sidewalk is a shared network that aims solely to: "simplify new device setup, extend the working range of low-bandwidth devices, and help devices stay online, even if they are outside the range of the user's home wifi." What this means is that Amazon Sidewalk only shares your "internet" with Amazon IOT devices, known as "Sidewalk Endpoints"—like leak sensors, door locks, lights, etc. Other devices, like your neighbor's phone or tablet, are unable to connect to the network. And the term "internet" is used very loosely here, since Amazon Sidewalk only allows transmission of data to and from Amazon's Sidewalk Network Server—not the broader internet as speculated. (So these devices can only communicate with/through Amazon's services, like allowing a user to turn on and off their smart-controlled light through the Alexa app.) Packets sent from the Sidewalk Endpoint to the Sidewalk Network Server ("SNS") are all authenticated to ensure they come from only authorized Sidewalk devices (so any devices other than Amazon IOT devices cannot transmit any data over the network). The data that is being transmitted over the Sidewalk network is also secured through three layers of encryption, bolstering security and integrity of the data sent through the network. Through a variety of other techniques (if interested, read the whitepaper), Amazon Sidewalk accomplishes great security with minimal risks.
Fears that "the FBI will come knocking on my door if someone is using the service nefariously!" are really only warranted if Amazon Sidewalk was sharing the broader internet with other users, and as we have discussed, that is precisely what it does not do. While general wisdom does dictate that it is ill-advised to share your primary network/LAN (like sharing your Wi-Fi password with your neighbors) because sharing your IP address with your neighbor is unwise if they perform illegal or otherwise nefarious activity, it does not apply here, since Amazon Sidewalk does not permit data transmission to the broader internet—only through a single tunnel to the Sidewalk Network Server. The actual routing of traffic to its intended destination occurs from the Sidewalk Network Server, safely away from your home network, and only after the layers of protection and authentication have been verified.
But exactly what impact does it have on you if you keep it enabled? Not much—bandwidth is limited to 80Kbps, or 0.08Mbps—hardly anything of concern. In addition, total transmitted data is capped at 500MB per month, which is a very small sliver of the average user's data cap (if they have one)—for example, that 500MB represents just 0.04% of Xfinity's 1.2TB monthly data cap. Furthermore, the Amazon Sidewalk also has the potential to benefit yourself. The entire purpose and idea of the network is to provide a connection to IOT devices that are too far away from the typical owner's network to function, but providing them life by being able to "borrow" a small sliver of your neighbor's, so that it can function. For example, if you put a garage camera at the edge of your property, under normal circumstances, if it was too far away from your normal Wi-Fi network, you would be out of luck. But now, it can, by taking that incredibly small sliver of resources from someone else's network. Once all of the details of the plan are uncovered, it does seem like a win for everyone, given that the network is (a) fully secure, (b) takes nearly no bandwidth from the host, and (c) allows the user to have a functioning IOT device where not possible before. And if these small considerations are still too much for you, they do give you the option to disable it.
I'm glad someone is applying logic to the discussion! Every headline I read about Sidewalk is crafted to instill fear by making you believe that random creeps driving by in panel vans are going to steal your internet.
This is closely akin to AirTags using other iPhones data t relay basic location data back to Apple.
I'm not interested in stealing data, I intend to use it as it's supposed to be used, to get to piggyback off others' data -if my internet goes out- and let them do so in return.
how much is amazon paying you?
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