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Philips Carina 1200-Series Super-Automatic Espresso Machine, Black (REFURB) $297 A/C + Tax at Ebay

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My 9 year old Saeco Odea Giro Plus slickdeal died this morning and I spent all day researching super-automatics in my price range and found the one that checks all my boxes. I bought it at Amazon for $429 ($457 after tax) then found this refurb deal on the exact same model and canceled. I ended up saving about $140 in the process. My total after tax was $315.85

The seller is householdgear which is a partner of Seattle Coffee Gear. It comes with a 2-year warranty as stated on the product page: "Philips Certified Refurbished w/ 2 Year Comprehensive Warranty Included. Provided by Allstate (US only)"

Coupon Code: JULY4SAVINGS for 15% off

Product Link: [URL="https://www.ebay.com/itm/174540533796[/URL]


Here's Gail at Seattle Coffee Gear giving a 10-min review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EThyK8Tmsc
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My 9 year old Saeco Odea Giro Plus slickdeal died this morning and I spent all day researching super-automatics in my price range and found the one that checks all my boxes. I bought it at Amazon for $429 ($457 after tax) then found this refurb deal on the exact same model and canceled. I ended up saving about $140 in the process. My total after tax was $315.85

The seller is householdgear which is a partner of Seattle Coffee Gear. It comes with a 2-year warranty as stated on the product page: "Philips Certified Refurbished w/ 2 Year Comprehensive Warranty Included. Provided by Allstate (US only)"

Coupon Code: JULY4SAVINGS for 15% off

Product Link: [URL="https://www.ebay.com/itm/174540533796[/URL]


Here's Gail at Seattle Coffee Gear giving a 10-min review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EThyK8Tmsc

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Jun 22, 2021
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Jun 22, 2021
xbladr
Jun 22, 2021
1,730 Posts
I've always wanted a super automatic have the barista express right now. Don't think I could justify switching
Jun 22, 2021
573 Posts
Joined Nov 2006
Jun 22, 2021
hkenshin
Jun 22, 2021
573 Posts
Great value at this price. I have the more fancy version of this machine with the lattego or whatever they call it and very happy for the price I paid ($600). Brew unit on this model is the same IIRC and also the same one used in more expensive saeco models. Made in Romania, not china for those who care.

The only negatives about this line is that it's loud (like might wake up sleeping family members loud), recommends the proprietary aquaclean filters for best results and decreased time between descaling, and it wastes a lot of water doing pre and post clean.

12 pucks before you have to empty the waste bin, which is average for most super autos.
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Jun 22, 2021
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Jun 22, 2021
greymoose
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Jun 22, 2021
1,137 Posts
Quote from hkenshin :
Great value at this price. I have the more fancy version of this machine with the lattego or whatever they call it and very happy for the price I paid ($600). Brew unit on this model is the same IIRC and also the same one used in more expensive saeco models. Made in Romania, not china for those who care.

The only negatives about this line is that it's loud (like might wake up sleeping family members loud), recommends the proprietary aquaclean filters for best results and decreased time between descaling, and it wastes a lot of water doing pre and post clean.

12 pucks before you have to empty the waste bin, which is average for most super autos.
My Saeco was pretty loud when it worked, so hopefully I am used to it. I found some compatible filters, $15 for a 2-pack. I buy compatible toner for my printers, so why not try these?

https://www.amazon.com/VACUUM-Mac...10&sr=1-21
Jun 22, 2021
103 Posts
Joined May 2013
Jun 22, 2021
chigwei
Jun 22, 2021
103 Posts
I'm loving my previous generation Saeco (the Xsmall) which I got from SCG when they cleared them out 11 months ago. I've been using this Cafetto Restore Espresso Machine Descaler [amazon.com] which is safe for aluminum components (it's tartaric and citric acid). For under $10 it has 4 packets that are sized for 1-liter water tanks. (You can buy acid in bulk much cheaper, but this is enough for 1.5-2 years.) For lubricant, Haynes Lubrifilm Plus [amazon.com]is a food-grade silicone with fairly similar consistency to the official Philips/Saeco stuff, but way way cheaper. A 4-oz. tube will last *years*.
Jun 23, 2021
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Joined Nov 2017
Jun 23, 2021
sbernhard83
Jun 23, 2021
7 Posts
I have the functionally identical 2200 model and have used it every day for 8 months. I love it and think this is a great deal. The ONLY issue I have with it is that the steam function puts out a slug of water for a second before it starts pumping steam. This can water down your milk slightly if you let it go into your milk carafe. To avoid this, I use a washcloth to catch the water first, and then slide the milk carafe underneath the nozzle once the steam starts. Doing this method is very loud, and there is a risk of burning yourself on the steam, but I think it's worth it, especially if you're using anything other than whole milk.
Last edited by sbernhard83 June 22, 2021 at 08:16 PM.
Jun 23, 2021
18 Posts
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Jun 23, 2021
jondiehl77
Jun 23, 2021
18 Posts

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I have slightly mixed feelings about recommending this. We bought ours in December for $400 from Amazon. I used to live with someone who had a Delonghi Magnifica ESAM 04.110.S, and really enjoyed it, so I bought this to get my own super automatic.

It works fine, and does exactly what's advertised. But I think the biggest thing for me is that I'm not really impressed by the flavor of the coffee I get from it. Maybe I'm being too harsh, but even when I use good fresh coffee beans, it never seems to have a lot of great flavors I can bring out by brewing a cup manually. If I grind fresh coffee on the side and brew a cup in a regular drip machine, I think it's actually more flavorful. So we really use this for the time savings when we're tired in the morning, or want to make a latte. If I have time in the afternoon, I'll actually use my aero press or chemex instead.

It's all plastic, even the grate for the drip tray, so nothing about it feels "fancy" or "high quality," but that's not to say it feels like it'll fall apart on you. It does have some things that I'm not fond of.
1) It's all touch buttons, which can be frustrating if you don't hit the exact center of the button, and then you're there tapping 2 to 3 times trying to do what would have been trivial on a physical button.
2) Steaming is a little more cumbersome than the delonghi, which had a button for steam mode and knob to release the steam. As long as you were in steam mode you could turn the knob on and off as much as you wanted. This one you activate the steam, it heats up and starts coming out, and if you stop it, you then need to wait for it to build up again. This is annoying if you want to quick purge your steam wand after making a latte for example.

If you're a big coffee snob that's looking for awesome flavors from the machine, I wouldn't recommend it. If your a coffee fan that wants a totally automated way to make coffee, and gives you the option to steam milk for lattes, then I'd say it does a fine job for the money!
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Jun 23, 2021
20 Posts
Joined Mar 2015
Jun 23, 2021
VictorL9002
Jun 23, 2021
20 Posts
I went for a PicoBaristo; excited to get those automatic milk drinks!

Previously had a Saeco Intuita, which I sold when I last moved.

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Jun 23, 2021
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PlanetoftheMapes
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Quote from xbladr :
I've always wanted a super automatic have the barista express right now. Don't think I could justify switching
I've had 2 superautomatics (1 Over $1k) before I bought my current coffee setup and they just do not pull authentic shots. You're not missing out.
Jun 23, 2021
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Joined Jun 2008
Jun 23, 2021
FreeCake
Jun 23, 2021
2,391 Posts
I need a new fancy coffee machine for my 2 employee store. If this is as loudly as some of you say than I don't think it would work.
Jun 23, 2021
473 Posts
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Jun 23, 2021
kekeke
Jun 23, 2021
473 Posts
Quote from PlanetoftheMapes :
I've had 2 superautomatics (1 Over $1k) before I bought my current coffee setup and they just do not pull authentic shots. You're not missing out.
Exactly. $1800 jira at work and my $150 starbucks preso tastes better, I think it's my magic touch with the tamper
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Jun 23, 2021
947 Posts
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Jun 23, 2021
PurplePenguin830
Jun 23, 2021
947 Posts
Breville semi or bust. Not for the weak though. Need some muscle to operate properly.
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Jun 23, 2021
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Jun 23, 2021
PurplePenguin830
Jun 23, 2021
947 Posts
Quote from FreeCake :
I need a new fancy coffee machine for my 2 employee store. If this is as loudly as some of you say than I don't think it would work.
All espresso machines are loud. Stick to drip
Jun 23, 2021
947 Posts
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Jun 23, 2021
PurplePenguin830
Jun 23, 2021
947 Posts
Quote from xbladr :
I've always wanted a super automatic have the barista express right now. Don't think I could justify switching
Don't switch. The machine you have now is better
Jun 23, 2021
558 Posts
Joined Dec 2012
Jun 23, 2021
izzzi
Jun 23, 2021
558 Posts
Quote from PlanetoftheMapes :
I've had 2 superautomatics (1 Over $1k) before I bought my current coffee setup and they just do not pull authentic shots. You're not missing out.
What's your current setup?

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Jun 23, 2021
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dbb
Jun 23, 2021
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Quote from PurplePenguin830 :
Don't switch. The machine you have now is better
I have a barista express and I can't get a shot out of it that isn't bitter for the life of me. Tried changing all kinds of grind settings. So it sits there doing nothing.

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