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Save 15% on QNAP Network Attached Storage (NAS) Devices. TS-451D2-2G-US $398.70 + Free shipping

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4-Bay NAS TS-451D2-2G [amazon.com] for $398.70

Features:
  • Intel Celeron J4025 dual-core 2.0 GHz processor (burst up to 2.9 GHz)
  • Intel HD Graphics 600
  • 2 GB SO-DIMM DDR4 RAM

Also available:
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6-Bay NAS TS-h686 [amazon.com] for $1,265.50
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Amazon has several QNAP NAS on sale [amazon.com]
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4-Bay NAS TS-451D2-2G [amazon.com] for $398.70

Features:
  • Intel Celeron J4025 dual-core 2.0 GHz processor (burst up to 2.9 GHz)
  • Intel HD Graphics 600
  • 2 GB SO-DIMM DDR4 RAM

Also available:
9-Bay NAS TS-h973AX-32G [amazon.com] for $976.70
6-Bay NAS TS-h686 [amazon.com] for $1,265.50

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Nov 3, 2021
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acemonster
Nov 3, 2021
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Quote from xllbenllx :
skip qnap; they suck. UI is super clunky compared to synology. I purchased a qnap a while back to compare them, and regretted doing so.
Qnap is fantastic, and Synology isn't bad. I find Synology is more user friendly, almost an Apple-like experience whereas qnap is more for the technical user. Qts is fine for me. like others have said, if you're buying a NAS this feature-rich, take the time to understand how to lock down your NAS and network. I try very hard not to keep info in the cloud, or to use cloud services when possible. I run a local home assistant server for my ZigBee and zwave devices, utilize private vpn for remote connection, isolated my Qnap on its own VLAN, etc. Guarantee 90% of users haven't done any of that.
Last edited by acemonster November 2, 2021 at 05:59 PM.
Nov 3, 2021
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Medic311
Nov 3, 2021
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Quote from 7minutessober :
The ransomeware attacks were vulnerable because of Qnap cloud as I read in everything about them. Like I said, a few minutes and tech knowledge and the problem will not affect you. The issue is from YOU allowing access to your network through a third party. Sorry you can't tech.

The bug (CVE-2020-2509) resides in the NAS web server (default TCP port 8080), according to researchers.
"Previous RCE attacks on QNAP NAS models relied on web pages which do not require prior authentication, and run/trigger code in server-side. We've therefore inspected some CGI files (which implement such pages) and fuzzed a few of the more relevant ones," researchers described.

The flaw allows two types of attacks. One allows a remote attacker – with access to the web server (default port 8080) – to execute arbitrary shell commands, without prior knowledge of the web credentials.
The second attack "allows a remote attacker with access to the DLNA server (default port 8200) to create arbitrary file data on any (non-existing) location, without any prior knowledge or credentials. It can also be elevated to execute arbitrary commands on the remote NAS as well," according to researchers at SAM Seamless Network.


LOOKIE THERE! both of those involve "my dumb ass left my NAS facing the outward internet and open to attack...."
There were plenty of highly experienced people on reddit who had their QNAPs behind VPN, web services disabled, and did not use QNAP's suite of media apps (Photostation and Musicstation have proven to be vectors for attacks)........who still got hit by QSnatch. Their stories are on reddit and discussed in great detail with Vortax_Wyvern. To date, there is 0 explanation as to how they too got infected and QnapDaniel had 0 explanation as well. I trust their stories over whatever QNAP has to say on the matter. Despite the bullshit that QNAP puts out, I along with many others who have ditched these idiots, strongly feel that QNAP has not truthfully come forward to disclose all of the vectors


Quote from 7minutessober :
Sorry you can't tech.
That's cute. The good thing about the existence of competition, means that any customer can choose to take their dollars away from a shit company that makes a shit product, to a different company with a better approach with their products. QNAP lost droves of customers, and those are just the ones in the QNAP community forum and on reddit who threw in the towel and moved over to Synology and are on the synology subreddit now. I can only imagine what the total figure is that QNAP lost. For the sake of people who still use QNAP products, the shitshow this company went through over the last 3 years will hopefully force them to make improvements going forward. I wouldn't hold my breath.

Not interested in continuing this conversation with you. The community has been warned. Good luck with your QNAP product if you choose to purchase. Proceed at your own risk.
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Nov 3, 2021
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Nov 3, 2021
7minutessober
Nov 3, 2021
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Quote from Medic311 :
There were plenty of highly experienced people on reddit who had their QNAPs behind VPN, web services disabled, and did not use QNAP's suite of media apps (Photostation and Musicstation have proven to be vectors for attacks)........who still got hit by QSnatch. Their stories are on reddit and discussed in great detail with Vortax_Wyvern. To date, there is 0 explanation as to how they too got infected and QnapDaniel had 0 explanation as well. I trust their stories over whatever QNAP has to say on the matter. Despite the bullshit that QNAP puts out, I along with many others who have ditched these idiots, strongly feel that QNAP has not truthfully come forward to disclose all of the vectors




That's cute. The good thing about the existence of competition, means that any customer can choose to take their dollars away from a shit company that makes a shit product, to a different company with a better approach with their products. QNAP lost droves of customers, and those are just the ones in the QNAP community forum and on reddit who threw in the towel and moved over to Synology and are on the synology subreddit now. I can only imagine what the total figure is that QNAP lost. For the sake of people who still use QNAP products, the shitshow this company went through over the last 3 years will hopefully force them to make improvements going forward. I wouldn't hold my breath.

Not interested in continuing this conversation with you. The community has been warned. Good luck with your QNAP product if you choose to purchase. Proceed at your own risk.
Yep, reddit, the site for a bunch of urlhasbeenblockeds. That's a legit bit of anecdotal evidence, everyone on there's a network engineer sure.

If you don't let shit in and out of your network willy nilly, they can't reach it behind your router... Such a difficult concept.

Community has been warned about shit that's patched up.
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Nov 3, 2021
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EvelynWaylon
Nov 3, 2021
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How many hdd come with this?
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Nov 3, 2021
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examante
Nov 3, 2021
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People act like Synology hasn't sucked lately. I've seen way more critical failures with Synology gear
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Nov 3, 2021
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drblofeld
Nov 3, 2021
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Quote from nicedog :
come on, I want synology deals!
How do these compare to synology? Pros/cons?
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Nov 3, 2021
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mike66
Nov 3, 2021
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Some ppl talk like Synology has never attacked by ransomeware, if I remember this correctly Synolocker was the first NAS ransomeware. IMO the best way to keep your NAS and data safe is to subscribe to the security newsletter from the manufacturer, and keep your system and apps up-to-date if your NAS is exposed to the Internet. I personally find QNAP's Security Counselor app is somehow useful for system protection. They should consider to make it a default app.
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Nov 3, 2021
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SMikulski49
Nov 3, 2021
147 Posts
Hi Guys, I am looking to set up a cloud storage for my home. Something I can access through my mobile device, ipad etc. I just want my files, movies, pictures, documents stored in one place and have access to them from anywhere. I would like the system to at least back itself up so I do not lose any of the information.

Would this be good for that, is there something better for that? Any help would be appreciated.
Nov 3, 2021
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Nov 3, 2021
mike66
Nov 3, 2021
57 Posts
Quote from SMikulski49 :
Hi Guys, I am looking to set up a cloud storage for my home. Something I can access through my mobile device, ipad etc. I just want my files, movies, pictures, documents stored in one place and have access to them from anywhere. I would like the system to at least back itself up so I do not lose any of the information.

Would this be good for that, is there something better for that? Any help would be appreciated.
A NAS device is mainly designed for this purpose, basically all you list here can be done with it. As to self-backup, although snapshot is kinda close to that, but I personally prefer to at least have an external storage connects to your NAS via USB, and set up a scheduled backup for the important files. This can be easily done with a NAS.
Nov 3, 2021
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wbs3333
Nov 3, 2021
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Quote from Medic311 :
here is a copy/paste from my post in another QNAP thread:



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I've been a qnap person since my 1st NAS and prefer qnap over synology (though i do own NAS boxes by both companies). most who frequent the SD threads know i was extremely vocal about being pro-qnap. so i understand if some will want to throw that in my face after my below post, but so be it.....

after qnap's mishandling of qsnatch, and their latest firmware bugs with both QTS and HBS, with releases that just make things worse without making them better....

i wholeheartedly cannot recommend this company anymore. this is coming from someone who used to be pro-qnap quite vocally in SD threads

they seem uninterested in fixing the problems, some of which have been ongoing for literally years. i have to intentionally keep my servers on an older firmware, open to vulnerability, in order for it to function properly. unacceptable. before switching over to synology, i had to keep my QNAP servers on QTS 4.3 and HBS 2.1 just to maintain propery functionality. tech support was laughable, even they admitted they are fully aware of problems and have no plans to fix them.

sorry for thread crapping, but i need to warn people who are considering this. check out the qnap threads on reddit and on the community forum. the firmware revs over the last 2 yrs are wreaking unexplained and unpredictable havoc. QNAP tech was not only slow they were flat out MIA during covid (they were basically refusing to interact with customers over the phone, insisting on tickets which they would close randomly when they didn't feel like dealing with you despite the issue not being fixed). as a company they really don't seem to have any direction and don't care about their own product or their customers.
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i wouldn't even touch these for $200 to use myself, i value my data and functionality more than this company clearly does
Thanks. Really appreciate your post. One of the things people usually don't take into consideration when making a purchase is customer service and how warranty claims work. I was wondering how QNAPs customer service was and thanks to your reply now I know. Will avoid QNAP. Might buy one on the cheap side if I can load a different OS to it though. ASUSTOR is looking like a good option, although Synology and QNAP have a way bigger community which also is a factor to take into consideration.
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wbs3333
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Quote from audiophan :
For those who have a particular disdain for QTS, you can install other OS's including TrueNAS and unRaid.
Do you have a link to a guide that shows how to do it?
Nov 4, 2021
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audiophan
Nov 4, 2021
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Quote from wbs3333 :
Do you have a link to a guide that shows how to do it?
The user who replied to you in an earlier QNAPTS-653D thread was pretty spot on:

Quote :
You don't need to do anything special since the QNAP is just another computer with EFI/BIOS and Intel CPU. It's pretty much the same as installing TrueNAS on any other computer. Download TrueNAS, use something like balenaEtcher to "burn" it to a USB drive, plug USB drive into powered off NAS, power NAS on and hit F2 or Delete key to get into BIOS. Boot from USB drive via Boot tab in BIOS. If you use TrueNAS SCALE, the 2.5G ethernet will automatically work. If you use TrueNAS Core, you'll need to follow https://www.embedded-ideas.de/202...tallation/. This is simply because the Realtek NIC isn't yet supported natively by FreeBSD 12, which TrueNAS Core is based on.
I ended up buying that unit based on their post, and managed to get unRaid booted up. unRaid forums have a fews posts with peoples experiences, and I'll probably post mine once I've had time to mess with it.
Nov 4, 2021
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wbs3333
Nov 4, 2021
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Quote from audiophan :
The user who replied to you in an earlier QNAPTS-653D thread was pretty spot on:



I ended up buying that unit based on their post, and managed to get unRaid booted up. unRaid forums have a fews posts with peoples experiences, and I'll probably post mine once I've had time to mess with it.
Thanks.

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Handofam
Nov 4, 2021
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The original TS-451 had a celeron processor that would die unexpectedly due to an LPC clock bug. Be aware of that drama:

https://forum.qnap.com/viewtopic.php?t=157459


I'm not saying it will happen to this Intel Celeron. But, be aware that if something like this happens, QNAP will completely sweep this issue under their rug, and you'll have to mend it yourself or buy another QNAP.
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