This card will be in a PCIe 3.0 system for nearly 100% of the use cases. Here are the PCIe 3.0 vs 4.0 frame rates:
Assasin's Creed is 61fps in PCIe 3.0 vs 67fps in PCIe 4.0
Shadow of Tomb Raider is 47fps in PCIe 3.0 vs 65fps in PCIe 4.0
R6 Siege is 86fps in PCIe 3.0 vs 117fps in PCIe 4.0
F1 2021 is 66fps in PCIe 3.0 vs 93 in PCIe 4.0
and those numbers are still very respectable. your pcie 3.0 user (like one of my hp workstations at work) is not going to have a 144hz display anyway. nor are they going to have a cpu past probably zen 2 at best, and they will have very limited PSU capacity as well.
if anything, the shame here is that it is still so darn big.
What's sad is that I paid $200 for my RX590 8GB card that I've been using for several years now. Just amazing but not in a good way.
I don't think so. you got in at a good time, and that happens. I have a gtx 1080 that I can sell for almost as much as I got it for in 2016, and a few months ago I couldve gotten MORE than I paid for it. imagine that.
This price to performance is actually the best you can get new right now. Realistically it doesn't matter that a RX 480 from nearly 6 years ago is comparable to this card, the market just isn't the same.
While performance will be decent for most games, AMD made a couple baffling decisions with this. For one, it is only 4 lanes of PCIe gen 4. You can lose up to 20% performance when pairing with a pcie gen 3 cpu. Also this has 4GB of ram when amd was offering 8gb cards in this price range 6 years ago. While people are saying to stop repeating youtube reviewers who point out these two flaws, they are very significant and people should know.
I don't think so. you got in at a good time, and that happens. I have a gtx 1080 that I can sell for almost as much as I got it for in 2016, and a few months ago I couldve gotten MORE than I paid for it. imagine that.
I did time it correctly because I was in need of a new card for several years before I bought it but wasn't willing to spend an insane premium to obtain one. I saw a market dip and bought when I thought the price was good.
That said, this market is unprecedented. Never before have "new" cards been marketed with a higher price than older, more powerful cards. Further, I don't remember a time when GPUs cost more than CPUs. The CPU has always been the most expensive component of a new build but not anymore, and my memory goes back several decades.
Even CPUs aren't progressing like they used to -- I'm still using a Ryzen 1700 because the performance advantage of the newer generations just isn't worth the cost. If I'm going to drop $300 on a new CPU (and it's even more with a new board and memory), I want minimum 2x the performance, not 30%.
I guess I just have unrealistic expectations these days.
Have one. It pairs well with a cheap intel 12 or the AMD 5600 cpus. That's about it, don't dare pair it with anything older that doesn't support pcie 4.
Outside of that, it's fairly solid for playing Minecraft dungeons 1440p over 100fps. Basically all my kid uses it for.
The card can run games at over 100fps @1080p but not with 4gb vram. Avoid 4gb cards.
Yeah actually it can and does. Once again proving that people who din't know sh**t about thing should just shutup. I build over 50 PC's a week for clients and we've done some very successful lower priced systems with this card and a Ryzen 5 3600..We sell them at a thin margin in the $699.99 price range and offer a slew up upgrades.
Which RX 6700 XT graphics card was selling at $399? I think you are confusing it with the RX 6600 or RX 6600 XT. Nvidia cards cost higher than a similar gaming performance AMD card because Nvidia cards mine better, even with LHR designation.
They're referring to the Best Buy $399 XFX RX 6700 XT SWFT that was only available to Total Tech members
The card can run games at over 100fps @1080p but not with 4gb vram. Avoid 4gb cards.
Yeah actually it can and does. Once again proving that people who din't know sh**t about thing should just shutup. I build over 50 PC's a week for clients and we've done some very successful lower priced systems with this card and a Ryzen 5 3600..We sell them at a thin margin in the $699.99 price range and offer a slew up upgrades.
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Why again should we be excited for a $200 card that barely keeps up with it's predecessor the 5500XT that was released at $150 especially in an older system with PCIe 3.0.
You're right though, if you need something right now and have very little coin it's decent. What's ironic is that the best budget build right now is an Alder Lake i3/H610 paired with this card.
Big fan of 10th and up i3 processors.You folk got to stop worrying about nonsense reference launch prices. A very small percentage of those models are made. You can't buy a 5500 XT for $150 anywhere around me and never were. In fact you can't get one for $200. So that makes this a good deal.
This has to be better than a GTX 660? I'm looking to upgrade my sons rig. He's not getting my 3070ti.
Yes it is faster than a GTX 660, BUT the RX 480 and RX 580 (4GB) perform on a similar level. Thanks to AMD only throwing 4 PCIe lanes on the card, it will actually be worse than those 6 year old cards if you don't have a brand new system with PCIe 4.0. Some new CPUs and systems sold today still only have PCIe 3.0!
You can get 4GB versions of those cards for <$200 on eBay. 8GB ones are gonna be <$300 thanks to miners.
Other advantages of older cards include: more than 2 display outputs on your GPU. Also, if you plan on recording or streaming any games with that GPU, there is no built-in encoding on the 6500XT.
AMD made a really bad call by only giving the card 4x PCIe lanes. Most people buying cheap cards like this are upgrading old systems - and the lack of PCIe lanes makes it only viable if you are planning on building a new system with PCIe 4.0, and using this as a stop-gap solution as prices decline over the next few months.
I did time it correctly because I was in need of a new card for several years before I bought it but wasn't willing to spend an insane premium to obtain one. I saw a market dip and bought when I thought the price was good.
That said, this market is unprecedented. Never before have "new" cards been marketed with a higher price than older, more powerful cards. Further, I don't remember a time when GPUs cost more than CPUs. The CPU has always been the most expensive component of a new build but not anymore, and my memory goes back several decades.
Even CPUs aren't progressing like they used to -- I'm still using a Ryzen 1700 because the performance advantage of the newer generations just isn't worth the cost. If I'm going to drop $300 on a new CPU (and it's even more with a new board and memory), I want minimum 2x the performance, not 30%.
I guess I just have unrealistic expectations these days.
happily for you, in about 8 months you'll be able to get a super duper 5900x for about $350. that'll swap out nicely with that 1700, and you can probably sell that for at least $75. no need to change anything else in your system!
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Assasin's Creed is 61fps in PCIe 3.0 vs 67fps in PCIe 4.0
Shadow of Tomb Raider is 47fps in PCIe 3.0 vs 65fps in PCIe 4.0
R6 Siege is 86fps in PCIe 3.0 vs 117fps in PCIe 4.0
F1 2021 is 66fps in PCIe 3.0 vs 93 in PCIe 4.0
if anything, the shame here is that it is still so darn big.
While performance will be decent for most games, AMD made a couple baffling decisions with this. For one, it is only 4 lanes of PCIe gen 4. You can lose up to 20% performance when pairing with a pcie gen 3 cpu. Also this has 4GB of ram when amd was offering 8gb cards in this price range 6 years ago. While people are saying to stop repeating youtube reviewers who point out these two flaws, they are very significant and people should know.
That said, this market is unprecedented. Never before have "new" cards been marketed with a higher price than older, more powerful cards. Further, I don't remember a time when GPUs cost more than CPUs. The CPU has always been the most expensive component of a new build but not anymore, and my memory goes back several decades.
Even CPUs aren't progressing like they used to -- I'm still using a Ryzen 1700 because the performance advantage of the newer generations just isn't worth the cost. If I'm going to drop $300 on a new CPU (and it's even more with a new board and memory), I want minimum 2x the performance, not 30%.
I guess I just have unrealistic expectations these days.
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Outside of that, it's fairly solid for playing Minecraft dungeons 1440p over 100fps. Basically all my kid uses it for.
You're right though, if you need something right now and have very little coin it's decent. What's ironic is that the best budget build right now is an Alder Lake i3/H610 paired with this card.
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Yes it is faster than a GTX 660, BUT the RX 480 and RX 580 (4GB) perform on a similar level. Thanks to AMD only throwing 4 PCIe lanes on the card, it will actually be worse than those 6 year old cards if you don't have a brand new system with PCIe 4.0. Some new CPUs and systems sold today still only have PCIe 3.0!
You can get 4GB versions of those cards for <$200 on eBay. 8GB ones are gonna be <$300 thanks to miners.
Other advantages of older cards include: more than 2 display outputs on your GPU. Also, if you plan on recording or streaming any games with that GPU, there is no built-in encoding on the 6500XT.
AMD made a really bad call by only giving the card 4x PCIe lanes. Most people buying cheap cards like this are upgrading old systems - and the lack of PCIe lanes makes it only viable if you are planning on building a new system with PCIe 4.0, and using this as a stop-gap solution as prices decline over the next few months.
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That said, this market is unprecedented. Never before have "new" cards been marketed with a higher price than older, more powerful cards. Further, I don't remember a time when GPUs cost more than CPUs. The CPU has always been the most expensive component of a new build but not anymore, and my memory goes back several decades.
Even CPUs aren't progressing like they used to -- I'm still using a Ryzen 1700 because the performance advantage of the newer generations just isn't worth the cost. If I'm going to drop $300 on a new CPU (and it's even more with a new board and memory), I want minimum 2x the performance, not 30%.
I guess I just have unrealistic expectations these days.