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frontpage Posted by joudo • Nov 25, 2022
Nov 25, 2022 11:31 PM
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Single vs dual thermoblock: https://www.homecoffees
Thermoblock vs thermocoil vs boiler:
https://owlychoice.com/thermobloc...il-boiler/
I found this comment on Reddit regarding comparison of thermoblock vs boiler - the former leads to inconsitent water temperature.
"Thermoblocks are worse for several reasons, all of which involve temperature management:
with a boiler, the brew pathway, including the group, is heated by the passive heat of the boiler, or actively heated in the case of an e61 or electrically heated group. This means that when you pull a shot, the water doesn't lose much heat to its surroundings on the way to the puck. A thermoblock machine never really gets hot, so the brew pathway will suck heat from the brew water in a very non predictable way (i.e. each shot will be affected slightly differently).
a boiler heats up all your brew water before the shot, whereas a thermoblock heats up water on demand. A pid controlled thermoblock will be able to heat water to a temperature which is dependent on the flow rate, because more contact time with the thermoblock means hotter water. Therefore, the brew temperature will be dependent on the flow rate, and hence the puck resistance. You might get away with this if you're always pulling classic 25s shots, but you certainly wont be able to experiment with things like ristretto and lungo as the change in flow will completely mess up your brew temperature.
High end thermoblock machines like the decent are only successful because they are extremely smart, and can dynamically change brew temperature to a very high accuracy using lots of fancy technology. A PID alone on a cheaper thermoblock machine simply wont give you consistent brew temperatures".
https://www.amazon.com/Espresso-M...U241FG3KTV
And I see several other names under that :
https://beem.co.uk/products/espre...der-15-bar
similar design, same grate pattern on the drain pan and tamper
Also am not willing to settle for anything that has plastic parts touching the hot water (so ruling out almost all of the super-automatic ones).
Was about to pull the trigger for Gaggia classic pro, but not sure which grinder should I get... then I saw this... hmmm really not sure about its quality, but could be a good gap-filler until a good Breville deals comes alone?
Thanks for posting!
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But with that said... I think I am definitely a little bit "lazy" in this case... an automatic grinder suits my need better.
The Gaggia and Rancillio are good in the hands of those who know what they are doing but there are better choices for those new to the game.
The Gaggia and Rancillio are good in the hands of those who know what they are doing but there are better choices for those new to the game.
But the problem is I have been hard-pressed to find something that hot water doesn't touch any plastic part of the machine for health reasons... and right now Gaggia classic pro seems to be the only one that suits that specific need without breaking the bank. Even Breville barista express/pro uses rubber tubes to pump hot steams into the steam wand.
Given this specific ask (no hot water touching plastic), do you have any suggestions for an espresso machine that is easy for beginners?
But the problem is I have been hard-pressed to find something that hot water doesn't touch any plastic part of the machine for health reasons... and right now Gaggia classic pro seems to be the only one that suits that specific need without breaking the bank. Even Breville barista express/pro uses rubber tubes to pump hot steams into the steam wand.
Given this specific ask (no hot water touching plastic), do you have any suggestions for an espresso machine that is easy for beginners?
The Gaggia classic pro only uses plastic/rubber tubing for cold water, which is okay. If you watch its tear-down video you can see the connection to the steam wands is also fully metal... otherwise, that machine will not be attractive given how complex it is to use it.
https://www.itopltd.com/automatic...502
https://www.itopltd.com/commercia...502
https://www.alibaba.com/product-d...77502.html
Our Chi Flat Iron broke and I looked up the Chinese company stamped on the electrical cord out of curiosity. They had over a 100 "unbranded" flat irons on their site you could bulk order. The design of the flat iron I had was on their site. So yes most of these smaller brands just buy a Chinese design and stamp their name. Only few companies actually engineer their products here.
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I believe the best budget grinder is the Sette 270... Though the bottom of the rabbit hole is usually the Niche zero.
I believe the best budget grinder is the Sette 270... Though the bottom of the rabbit hole is usually the Niche zero.
https://www.amazon.com/Espresso-M...U241FG3KTV
And I see several other names under that :
https://beem.co.uk/products/espre...der-15-bar
similar design, same grate pattern on the drain pan and tamper
I'm currently using a Gaggia Classic Pro with a modified Baratza Encore. Upgraded burr set from M3 to M2. This is the same burr set in the Baratza Virtuoso. I've been pulling consistent shots for about a year now but I will say you need to enjoy making espresso. If you feel like it isn't a hobby then the process will become tedious and not enjoyable.
BTW when you say "easy effort automatic one" you mean super-automatic machines like Phillips 3200 lattego right?
If you are just looking for a semi-automaic machine like breville barista express, then there are a couple ones that no plastic is touching the hot water. Like Gaggia Classic Pro, Breville barista express (please look at below edit) ... etc. For this type of machines, you mostly want to check the portafilter and where you connects the portafilter to the machine (the steam wands and water boilers are almost always metal).
edit: breville barista express uses rubber/plastic tubes to pump steams into the steam wand... so I guess that also ruled it out as "not plastic touching hot water"
The Ode grinder is also only available in white and black, so ruling them out also.
And if I went up the tiers for mignon series, a chrome silenzio will cost $579 and that definitely breaks the budget.
So I decide it's time for me to be a little bit less "lazy" now lol🤣
BTW I got the gaggia classic pro as well.
I'm currently using a Gaggia Classic Pro with a modified Baratza Encore. Upgraded burr set from M3 to M2. This is the same burr set in the Baratza Virtuoso. I've been pulling consistent shots for about a year now but I will say you need to enjoy making espresso. If you feel like it isn't a hobby then the process will become tedious and not enjoyable.
Kinda excited right now but not sure how long can I keep this hobby going😅
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