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frontpage Posted by chunmanc123 • Aug 7, 2023
frontpage Posted by chunmanc123 • Aug 7, 2023

U.S. Treasury: Short Term Treasury Bills (4-Week-52-Week Maturity) Up to

5.50% Interest

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Note: Rates are subject to change daily; rates are the daily secondary market quotations on the most recently auctioned Treasury Bills for each maturity tranche (4-week, 8-week, 13-week, 17-week, 26-week, and 52-week) for which Treasury currently issues new bills. Up to Date Rates can be found here (scroll to bottom of list)

U.S. Government Treasury is offering Up to 5.499% Coupon Rate (Interest Rate) on Short Term Treasury Bills which can be Purchased for a Duration of 4-Weeks-52 Weeks Maturity.

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Note, if interested, you may choose to purchase Treasury Bills through your preferred Brokerage Firm

Example Current Rates (8/9/23): (Coupon Rates [Interest Rates] change daily):
  • 13-Week Maturity: 5.451%
  • 26-Week Maturity: 5.499%
  • 52-Week Maturity: 5.351%

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Written by slickdewmaster | Staff
  • About this Offer:
    • Interest paid: When the bill matures
    • Minimum purchase : $100
    • In increments of: $100
    • Maximum purchase: $10 million (non-competitive bid)
    • Auction frequency:
      • Every four weeks for 52-week bills
      • Weekly for 4, 8, 13, 17, 26-week bills
      • No regular schedule for Cash Management Bills
      • See the Auction calendar for specific date
      • More Info
    • Taxes: Federal tax due on interest earned. No state or local taxes
  • Refer to forum thread for discussion from the community regarding this offer. -slickdewmaster

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Note: Rates are subject to change daily; rates are the daily secondary market quotations on the most recently auctioned Treasury Bills for each maturity tranche (4-week, 8-week, 13-week, 17-week, 26-week, and 52-week) for which Treasury currently issues new bills. Up to Date Rates can be found here (scroll to bottom of list)

U.S. Government Treasury is offering Up to 5.499% Coupon Rate (Interest Rate) on Short Term Treasury Bills which can be Purchased for a Duration of 4-Weeks-52 Weeks Maturity.

Thanks community member chunmanc123 for sharing this deal

Note, if interested, you may choose to purchase Treasury Bills through your preferred Brokerage Firm

Example Current Rates (8/9/23): (Coupon Rates [Interest Rates] change daily):
  • 13-Week Maturity: 5.451%
  • 26-Week Maturity: 5.499%
  • 52-Week Maturity: 5.351%

Editor's Notes

Written by slickdewmaster | Staff
  • About this Offer:
    • Interest paid: When the bill matures
    • Minimum purchase : $100
    • In increments of: $100
    • Maximum purchase: $10 million (non-competitive bid)
    • Auction frequency:
      • Every four weeks for 52-week bills
      • Weekly for 4, 8, 13, 17, 26-week bills
      • No regular schedule for Cash Management Bills
      • See the Auction calendar for specific date
      • More Info
    • Taxes: Federal tax due on interest earned. No state or local taxes
  • Refer to forum thread for discussion from the community regarding this offer. -slickdewmaster

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To clarify...

Treasury BILLS are currently paying over 5% for various maturity lengths under 1 year. These can be bought through most brokerages even without a TreasuryDirect account.

Treasury BONDS are paying 4% or less and have 20 or 30 year terms.
Have learned so much on this site so am trying to return the favor with what I've learned that I don't see anyone else talking about.

The 4 week bill ordering opens tomorrow 8/8, the deadline to buy it is sometime Thursday 8/10 morning depending on where you are buying it and it settles on 8/15.

On TD Ameritrade, they take your money on the 10th (take it out of the money you can trade with when you hit purchase which can be as early as the 8th) and buy the bill on the 15th during time which you earn no interest. Thus the reason that I stopped buying 4 and 8 week bills at auction. Secondary markets settle the next day so often a better deal. Treasury direct does not take the money from your bank account till the day it settles and Vanguard keeps it in the settlement fund earning interest till the day it settles as well. Not sure about the other brokerage houses. Also, not sure if you rollover the t-bills how the time between redemption and the next auction works as far as any interest you are losing as that is often a week of interest as well.

FYI, if you do the math, 4 weeks for $10,000 usually gets you about $40 in interest for letting them hold your money for 5 weeks.

The Monday auctions for 3 months and six months settle on Thursday so much less time to hold your money for nothing and less redemption downtime.

The money market funds often have repurchase agreements that are taxed at the state and local level but obviously more liquid. Am looking into the ETFs now.

Good luck to everyone!
If Fidelity goes bust you still own the T-Bills and the government will pay you or whatever brokerage house the T-Bills are transferred to in your name. There is also SIPC insurance which covers you for fraud in case Fidelity didn't actually buy it for you and ran away with the money. Technically the limit you are covered for is $500,000 but all the brokerages have excess insurance which is for a very large amount. Usually over $50 million per person. You can check with each of the brokerages to see what they cover though the people who answer the phone don't often know about this as they are just reading from a script.

FYI, to the person who asked about the 100,000 for three months. If you did the 13 week auction today you would get $1338 in interest at the end of the three months. Prorated per annum as per the person who posted above stated
Technically, you would pay $98,662 for the bonds and get $100,000 on November 9th. The difference between what you pay now and what the bonds are redeemed for in November is considered the interest.

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Alexander Hamilton would be proud of you all
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Quote from 02nz :
As I write this 20 out of 21 people downvoted my post, yet not a single one bothered to offer a counter for why this wasn't good advice. Can people at least stop and think for a few seconds or maybe ask some questions before clicking the same button just because other people already did?Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)
I can tell you why. people googled SGOV returns and saw 3.80% for 1 year and compared that to 5.35% now. The amount of common sense on people on this site has gone down 20 fold in last few years.
Your advice was solid, could've been better if you mentioned the liquidity the ETFs bring vs locking down your money even for 4-8 weeks in bills and bonds.
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Quote from genkam :
Can you provide some ETFs that offer similar returns?
just google them? US Treasury ETFs. There'd be many from Fidelity, Vanguard, Schwab, iShares etc.
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Quote from phony :
Why not just buy the money market fund? The highest rate now is over 5% after fee. It's so much easier.


Invesco Premier Portfolio Institutional (IPPXX)
Minimum Investment
$1,000

Expense Ratio
0.19%

7-Day Yield
5.35%
Why do this when you can literally buy the bill on brokerage site for no expense ratio?
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Quote from SaverDaddy :
Idk I think if the government started to collapse my first worry would be pulling my money out
if govt collapses, your money will be equivalent to a painted toilet paper.
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Quote from Eragorn :
Is there a "for dummies" on these? I'm currently doing this deal....

"CIT Bank 11 Month No-Penalty CD: Earn 4.90% APY*"
https://slickdeals.net/f/16639061-cit-bank-11-month-no-penalty-cd-earn-4-90-apy

edit: answered Smilie
I'm doing this deal. Cit platinum savings 5.05%
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Quote from FLTURD :
FDZXX is a money market fund and pays 5.14% and is an ETF. How does buying t-bills on fidelity have any advantage over this?
Quote from oonchie :
FDZXX is a mutual fund, not an ETF. There is a difference.

Buying T-bills directly allows for better returns (for your time) because you are saving some on the expense ratio of many of the ETF/mutual funds. Some charge anywhere from 0.09-0.40 percent depending on the fund and class of investment you purchase.

And you can pick longer maturities that may yield higher returns (6 month T-bills are trading at 5.5x% currently).

Also if you purchase T-bills directly you could be exempt from state taxes for the profits. That can't be said for many/most mutual funds that trade govt debt (there are some that are exempt year to year because they only hold T-bills, not repurchase agreements)
Quote from ready2rumble :
These are repos in fdzxx. Therefore, no tax benefit on the state/local level. Tbills will have an exemption from paying state/local taxes. With about $22-$24k in interest that I'm expecting from tbills this year, I won't have to pay state taxes on any of that income (still have to pay federal).
FDZXX is a fund and it's composition is not 100% t-bills. It's about 53%. there are other instruments in there but they are slightly riskier than t-bills. That could mean higher or lower returns.
T-bills are T-Bills. if you buy them, you have 100% guarantee of the returns promised as it's a promise of the government, unless the US defaults.

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Quote from ToadKilla :
Why do this when you can literally buy the bill on brokerage site for no expense ratio?
What's your pick mr snake?

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Quote from SeaMeSurf :
I have tried and failed at this based on a previous comment. Can some patient soul please walk me through how to buy these at Fidelity? Thank you!
Go here. https://fixedincome.fidelity.com/...s|treasury

In the type drop down, select bills and choose what time frame bill you want.
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Quote from shahhere :
what's your pick mr snakehahhere
cusip 912796zy8

Or whatever your timeframe choice is in this list
https://fixedincome.fidelity.com/...&sortby=MA
Last edited by ToadKilla August 8, 2023 at 03:39 PM.
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Quote from robrob777 :
The feedback on this website is that they lock your account periodically.. I use a broker to buy these(vanguard) no problems in 7 yrs
What suck about Vanguard is they hold your newly transferred money for 7 days before you can trade it. Fidelity and Schwab usually just instant or next day.
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Is the site still the sane one?
The same site. They tweak it a little from time to time. I'm not exactly sure if I'v been using it for a full 25 years, but at least close to 20.
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Quote from everestsun :
The limit on Tbill purchases is $10 millions.

I don't have any 'How to buy Tbills' link as I have not had any issue buying my iBonds and Tbills on TreasuryDirect without 'training'. I have uploaded a few screen shots I just made from TreasuryDirect website.

Step 0: Login to your account at https://www.treasurydirect.gov/log-in/. They send you an one-time-password to your email account. You need to type that in and then type your password.
Step 1: [Screen shot 1] Click on 'Buy Direct' from the menu bar
Step 2: [Screen shot 2] Select 'Bills' under 'Marketable Securities' and 'Submit'
Step 3: [Screen shot 3] Pick up the Tbill term and date you want to buy. There are 2 dates listed: Auction date = the deadline you must submit the order. Don't remember the exact cut-off time but I usually do that before 7am. Of course you can place your order days before the auction date. Issue Date = the settlement date when your money will be taken from your linked bank account. Make sure you have the full amount in your bank account by the issue date. The actual amount taken from your bank account will be less than the full amount as Tbills give you a discount upfront (think it as a prepaid interest).
Step 4: [Screen shot 4] The link 'View recent auction results' give you an idea on the discount in the past. Specify the amount of Tbills to buy, the source of funds is your linked bank account (you can set up multiple bank accounts). In the 'Schedule Reinvestment' section, you have an option to auto-roll your Tbill into the next one upon maturity for how many times you want within the next 2 years. At the end, you can specify which bank account to deposit your maturity payment (for no auto-rolling) or your next discount amount (for auto-rolling). Then you can submit your order.
Step 5: [No screen shot] You will be presented with your order review and you confirm your order.

All your order history and auto-rolling history are available under 'History' from the menu bar. The bank account and auto-rolling settings can be changed at anytime after you purchased the Tbills by going to 'Current Holdings' from the menu bar.

I hope this is helpful.
Thanks a lot. This is super helpful. I will try to follow these to buy some Tbills and see how it goes, but I have no doubt that it will be easy following your detailed steps. Reps coming your way Smilie
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For those pointing to citi and other banks as alternatives, you pay no state income tax on Treasury bill/ bond income.

It's a big deal for those in States with high income taxes like my crap state.

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What will happen when my T Bill is completely matured? I do not wish to sell it. I rather have and keep it as long as I want. Is that possible?

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