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Lenovo ThinkStation P3 Tiny Workstation i9-13900T 64GB (30H00016US) $1919

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Part Number: 30H00016US

Processor : 13th Generation Intel® Core™ i9-13900T vPro® Processor (E-cores up to 3.90 GHz P-cores up to 5.10 GHz)
Operating System : Windows 11 Pro 64
Graphic Card : NVIDIA® T1000 8GB GDDR6
Memory : 64 GB DDR5-4800MHz (SODIMM) - (2 x 32 GB)
Storage : 1 TB SSD M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 Performance TLC Opal
AC Adapter / Power Supply : 230W
Pointing Device : USB Optical Mouse
Keyboard : USB, Traditional, Black - English (US)
Networking : Integrated Ethernet
Wireless : Intel® Wi-Fi 6 AX201 2x2 AX & Bluetooth® 5.1 or above
Warranty : 3 Years On-site
Mounting / Stand Option : Vertical Stand Tiny

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Lenovo...2862366171

Lenovo was just selling this on their site at a major discount as well, but it appears they've taken it down. I was able to order on Walmart which states there weren't many left. Lenovo's site does say they price match, however.

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/wo...30h00016us
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dmgdev
09-23-2023 at 01:32 AM.
09-23-2023 at 01:32 AM.
Lenovo's reference site doesn't even have this computer listed yet. Closest specifications I can find are the model sold in Canada. 30H00016CA
https://psref.lenovo.com/Detail/T...30H00016CA
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09-23-2023 at 05:00 AM.
09-23-2023 at 05:00 AM.
Not sure how good a deal that is, but damn that's a lot of computer in that size package.
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09-23-2023 at 11:08 AM.
09-23-2023 at 11:08 AM.
Quote from HonestSink4265 :
Not sure how good a deal that is, but damn that's a lot of computer in that size package.
On price alone, it's a great deal or re-sell opportunity. I wanted something I could put in a rack or small form that I could run a home lab with Ubuntu and Kubernetes - and one that is quiet with lower power requirements. I don't care about gaming or graphics.

I spent a week comparing this to: Mac Mini, or SBC clusters (mostly Orange Pi), and came to conclude this was the way to go. I think my days of building custom machines are done. SBCs for tinkering are okay, but most aside from the RaspPi are difficult and undocumented.

Mac Mini or Studio was tough to compare against. For one, the M1 and M2 have everything soldered and must be purchased. Also, if you try to build a Mini or Studio that can compete in specs with this Lenovo, you'll quickly see that it will be over $4k and you'll end up paying a lot more for better graphics processing.

Found another person with similar intentions: https://williamlam.com/2023/09/es...-tiny.html
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t_c
09-23-2023 at 12:31 PM.
09-23-2023 at 12:31 PM.
Quote from dmgdev :
On price alone, it's a great deal or re-sell opportunity. I wanted something I could put in a rack or small form that I could run a home lab with Ubuntu and Kubernetes - and one that is quiet with lower power requirements. I don't care about gaming or graphics.

I spent a week comparing this to: Mac Mini, or SBC clusters (mostly Orange Pi), and came to conclude this was the way to go. I think my days of building custom machines are done. SBCs for tinkering are okay, but most aside from the RaspPi are difficult and undocumented.

Mac Mini or Studio was tough to compare against. For one, the M1 and M2 have everything soldered and must be purchased. Also, if you try to build a Mini or Studio that can compete in specs with this Lenovo, you'll quickly see that it will be over $4k and you'll end up paying a lot more for better graphics processing.

Found another person with similar intentions: https://williamlam.com/2023/09/es...-tiny.html

Are used rack servers off the table for your use case? I've found them to be the best bang for the buck for my homelab by far. For example, my virtualization server (Proxmox) has 2x Intel Xeon E5-2699 with 18 cores/36 threads each and 512GB ECC RAM & 4x 10Gb adapters and it's got out of band IPMI management, which is nice. It was $680 on eBay. Granted, it's a big and loud 30" deep 1u with very low Wife Acceptance Factor, but it was cheap for 72 threads of virtualization goodness. :-)
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09-23-2023 at 01:01 PM.
09-23-2023 at 01:01 PM.
Quote from t_c :
Are used rack servers off the table for your use case? I've found them to be the best bang for the buck for my homelab by far. For example, my virtualization server (Proxmox) has 2x Intel Xeon E5-2699 with 18 cores/36 threads each and 512GB ECC RAM & 4x 10Gb adapters and it's got out of band IPMI management, which is nice. It was $680 on eBay. Granted, it's a big and loud 30" deep 1u with very low Wife Acceptance Factor, but it was cheap for 72 threads of virtualization goodness. :-)
No, not at all. I strongly considered this and prefer a rack setup. In the past this was the route I would take, and would build custom 1U or 2U servers. But to be honest, my home would sound like a data-center and those fans would be screaming like a jet engine. I was single then. Now married and in an apartment. I don't have much space and wanted something relatively quiet, with lower power and cooling requirements.
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09-23-2023 at 02:01 PM.
09-23-2023 at 02:01 PM.
Quote from dmgdev :
No, not at all. I strongly considered this and prefer a rack setup. In the past this was the route I would take, and would build custom 1U or 2U servers. But to be honest, my home would sound like a data-center and those fans would be screaming like a jet engine. I was single then. Now married and in an apartment. I don't have much space and wanted something relatively quiet, with lower power and cooling requirements.

I hear ya— up until recently my setup was NUCs, SBCs, and rooted NASs for those same reasons. Homelab on compadre!
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09-23-2023 at 02:17 PM.
09-23-2023 at 02:17 PM.
Circle back in two years when it's ~$300 on eBay.
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09-23-2023 at 03:20 PM.
09-23-2023 at 03:20 PM.
Such a powerful little machine. If it matters to anyone here this runs on the Intel Q670 chipset and doesn't support ECC memory.
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09-23-2023 at 04:20 PM.
09-23-2023 at 04:20 PM.
Quote from Little812 :
Circle back in two years when it's ~$300 on eBay.

Will probably take longer than two years to hit that price point, but tech is always a depreciating asset.
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09-23-2023 at 04:32 PM.

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09-23-2023 at 04:32 PM.
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Such a powerful little machine. If it matters to anyone here this runs on the Intel Q670 chipset and doesn't support ECC memory.

It's definitely helpful information. I initially was excited since the i9 supports ECC, but of course they had to use a chipset that didn't. 😒
I wish the industry would just make this shift already. Seems like hardly the extra cost these days
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09-23-2023 at 06:25 PM.
09-23-2023 at 06:25 PM.
I'm encouraged by the size of the associated power supply. My biggest concern in a system like this would be that the design power limits the associated boost capabilities of the CPU. This is a T-series "power optimized" CPU only rated for 35W. However, the maximum boost ability of the CPU is over 100W. With an associated 230W power supply the system could indeed support the limits of the CPU... assuming the associated cooling system is up to the task for the CPU (not a big ask given the relatively low 35W-100W range. I might be more concerned with the ability to of this system to keep up with the 65W TDP CPUs it also supports.

If anyone finds some direct reviews of these systems it would be appreciated. Most everything out there just seems to cover the documentation of this ridiculous little beast.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Len...281.0.html

Good luck!
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09-23-2023 at 07:00 PM.
09-23-2023 at 07:00 PM.
Available direct from Lenovo on eBay. Fwiw

https://www.ebay.com/itm/15573545...media=COPY
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09-23-2023 at 07:22 PM.
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Such a powerful little machine. If it matters to anyone here this runs on the Intel Q670 chipset and doesn't support ECC memory.
That's actually a benefit. DDR5 ECC RDIMMs cost 3 arms and 4 legs right now - something to do with the PMICs. Lenovo has been building Tiny for over 10 years, and they do a lot of work on Thermals. There is a significant premium for ECC - and the gap won't be going away soon.
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09-23-2023 at 07:42 PM.
09-23-2023 at 07:42 PM.
Quote from dmgdev :
It's definitely helpful information. I initially was excited since the i9 supports ECC, but of course they had to use a chipset that didn't. 😒
I wish the industry would just make this shift already. Seems like hardly the extra cost these days
By the way I found this 3.9L Lenovo P3 Ultra unit on another thread that has the W680 chip set and supports ECC RAM. I can't find anywhere how much power it will draw. It's an i9-13900 though so could be a lot more:

https://slickdeals.net/f/16942300-lenovo-thinkstation-p3-ultra-30ha002eus-64gb-2339
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