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forum thread Posted by BabyBubba • Feb 13, 2024
forum thread Posted by BabyBubba • Feb 13, 2024

Factory Recertified Acer Aspire TC-1770-UR11 Desktop Intel Core i5-13400 8GB Ram 512GB NVMe SSD WiFi6 Windows 11 Home $408.49

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Acer Recertified via Amazon has the Factory Recertified Acer Aspire TC-1770-UR11 Desktop Intel Core i5-13400 8GB Ram 512GB NVMe SSD WiFi6 Windows 11 Home for $408.49 after 5% off coupon on product page. Shipping is free with Amazon Prime. Sold and shipped by Acer.

Warranty shows as 90 days return or replacement, but Acer generally offers 1 year on Factory Recertified desktops.

Quantity 19 available at time of posting.

https://www.amazon.com/acer-TC-17...M6QJ&psc=1
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Acer Recertified via Amazon has the Factory Recertified Acer Aspire TC-1770-UR11 Desktop Intel Core i5-13400 8GB Ram 512GB NVMe SSD WiFi6 Windows 11 Home for $408.49 after 5% off coupon on product page. Shipping is free with Amazon Prime. Sold and shipped by Acer.

Warranty shows as 90 days return or replacement, but Acer generally offers 1 year on Factory Recertified desktops.

Quantity 19 available at time of posting.

https://www.amazon.com/acer-TC-17...M6QJ&psc=1

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Feb 13, 2024
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RmmmRs
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Can someone advise if it's ATX standard? Can power supply be replaced? Can I add older GPU like GTX 960?
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irrationalconsumer
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Why not just grab one of them microcenter Ryzen deals ($350 + $60 case + $50 cooler + $100ssd + $25 windows key) if you are going to swap out the most of the parts for gaming pc
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RmmmRs
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Quote from irrationalconsumer :
Why not just grab one of them microcenter Ryzen deals ($350 + $60 case + $50 cooler + $100ssd + $25 windows key) if you are going to swap out the most of the parts for gaming pc
Rizen will end up about $560, 12600 combo will end up $460. Also, there are more RAM in both cases. It's not really for gaming, gtx960 is old. It's more for productivity and a little gaming.
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Quote from RmmmRs :
Can someone advise if it's ATX standard? Can power supply be replaced? Can I add older GPU like GTX 960?
I am unaware of a GTX 960 model which does not require external power. Such connectors would be unavailable from the 300W power supply in this model.

A very low power graphics card (like the 30W GT 1030) is an easy to recommend option for anyone being cautious/conservative; you could find slightly more powerful cards that get towards the upper limit of the 75W supported via PCIe (without external power), but consider that the included, relatively proprietary power supply is only rated for 300W and the CPU alone could draw over 65W in peak usage (the max TDP is 148W).

For reference here's a nice article [techspot.com] on some of the Gigabyte GTX 1650 models equipped to run on only the 75W PCIe power. I've also seen online confirmation of an MSI GTX 1650 model without external power requirements. A very cut down 3050 model may also become a solid GPU upgrade option for this power-limited system.
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-c...ut-cheaper

This system provides a reasonable value but the trade-off is the incorporation of relatively custom components in the form of an OEM motherboard and power supply.

This power supply is a 12 Volt Only style model. That style distinction is significant since although OEMs have started implementing their own versions of ATX 12VO for cost-savings as well as to meet certain efficiency requirements, what is being sold in OEM systems isn't really standardized in the retail space. So if the power supply needs replacement (outside of warranty) or upgrading, this challenge alone will create some issues well beyond a simple drive to Micro Center.

On top of that, the motherboard also integrates the front panel connections such as the USB sockets directly onto the motherboard. Though typical for many OEM systems such as those from HP, this also complicates replacement of the motherboard and/or case.

As such, this recommends at least three possible approaches:
  1. Operate this system as a sealed box with limited to power-neutral upgrades for its lifetime (so only swapping in CPUs or GPUs which are supported within the existing power budget). This works for a large group of users and represents the target audience of this kind of pre-built.
  2. Be the kind of DIY-er who cuts into power supply wires, uses custom power supply wire harnesses, or runs dual power supplies in a PC as part of their GPU upgrade (nothing unimaginable, but definitely a niche group).
  3. Ignore this kind of highly custom OEM system in favor of a PC which utilizes standardized motherboards and power supplies.
Good luck!
Jon
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Quote from The_Love_Spud :
I am unaware of a GTX 960 model which does not require external power. Such connectors would be unavailable from the 300W power supply in this model.

A very low power graphics card (like the 30W GT 1030) is an easy to recommend option for anyone being cautious/conservative; you could find slightly more powerful cards that get towards the upper limit of the 75W supported via PCIe (without external power), but consider that the included, relatively proprietary power supply is only rated for 300W and the CPU alone could draw over 65W in peak usage (the max TDP is 148W).

For reference here's a nice article [techspot.com] on some of the Gigabyte GTX 1650 models equipped to run on only the 75W PCIe power. I've also seen online confirmation of an MSI GTX 1650 model without external power requirements. A very cut down 3050 model may also become a solid GPU upgrade option for this power-limited system.
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-c...ut-cheaper

This system provides a reasonable value but the trade-off is the incorporation of relatively custom components in the form of an OEM motherboard and power supply.

This power supply is a 12 Volt Only style model. That style distinction is significant since although OEMs have started implementing their own versions of ATX 12VO for cost-savings as well as to meet certain efficiency requirements, what is being sold in OEM systems isn't really standardized in the retail space. So if the power supply needs replacement (outside of warranty) or upgrading, this challenge alone will create some issues well beyond a simple drive to Micro Center.

On top of that, the motherboard also integrates the front panel connections such as the USB sockets directly onto the motherboard. Though typical for many OEM systems such as those from HP, this also complicates replacement of the motherboard and/or case.

As such, this recommends at least three possible approaches:
  1. Operate this system as a sealed box with limited to power-neutral upgrades for its lifetime (so only swapping in CPUs or GPUs which are supported within the existing power budget). This works for a large group of users and represents the target audience of this kind of pre-built.
  2. Be the kind of DIY-er who cuts into power supply wires, uses custom power supply wire harnesses, or runs dual power supplies in a PC as part of their GPU upgrade (nothing unimaginable, but definitely a niche group).
  3. Ignore this kind of highly custom OEM system in favor of a PC which utilizes standardized motherboards and power supplies.
Good luck!
Jon
Appreciated for such a detailed response. However, I asked initially if the case is atx standard and that the power supply can be easily replaced.
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Quote from RmmmRs :
Appreciated for such a detailed response. However, I asked initially if the case is atx standard and that the power supply can be easily replaced.
The power supply is replaceable but is neither a meaningfully standard size (being either TFX or FlexATX rather than the commonly available ATX size) nor a standard configuration (see my notes about 12VO-style).

The case could support an ITX motherboard or possibly even a FlexATX style (if those still meaningfully existed). However, the included motherboard is completely proprietary.

Good luck!
Jon
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Perfect Plex server. This will transcode multiple 4K stream simultaneously.

And if you want to run Linux it will even do HDR tone mapping.

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Quote from irrationalconsumer :
Why not just grab one of them microcenter Ryzen deals ($350 + $60 case + $50 cooler + $100ssd + $25 windows key) if you are going to swap out the most of the parts for gaming pc
Microcenter is not everywhere.
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skywaytp
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10% OFF directly from the Manufacturer

Subtotal: $429.99
Coupon (FEBSALE) -$43.00
Grand total: $386.99

I was thinking to buy this system for BlueIris, perhaps, not now.
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theshopper2022
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Amazon third party seller also has a small form factor PC, for a little cheaper

HP Slim Desktop S01-pF3000t Desktop [amazon.com]
13400
1TB SSD
16GB RAM
$360
Last edited by missiethegal February 19, 2024 at 07:02 PM.
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Quote from theshopper2022 :
Amazon third party seller also has a small form factor PC, for a little cheaper

HP Slim Desktop S01-pF3000t Desktop [amazon.com]
13400
1TB SSD
16GB RAM
$360
Same vendor on eBay has it available at $350

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