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13,000 Watt Dual Fuel Portable Generator DuroStar DS13000MX 999 PREODER - DECEMBER DELIVERY! $999

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I was looking at generators and got an ad for this. Couldn't find it on the website just by browsing, but seems like a decent deal. There is some more information on reddit on it. Seems comparable to HF and Westinghouse.

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I was looking at generators and got an ad for this. Couldn't find it on the website just by browsing, but seems like a decent deal. There is some more information on reddit on it. Seems comparable to HF and Westinghouse.

https://www.duromaxpower.com/prod...rrency=USD

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SharpField148
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This seems like a pretty great deal actually
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FWIW, after going through Milton, these generators are touted to the run the entire home, including AC, and they will, BUT you will go through propane like crazy. Gas and Propane were really difficult to get (I stocked up but was running through (3) 20lb tanks a day). If I ran the lights, outlets, internet, fans etc. I could get 8 hrs. If I turned on the range, water heater, or AC (separate events) I'd kill the tank in 4 hours. If I had it to do over I'd spend more money and go with a larger >=18K KW model, as they would operate the whole house (using only 50% load) on the same amount of propane/gas.
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Quote from cwhiteh2 :
FWIW, after going through Milton, these generators are touted to the run the entire home, including AC, and they will, BUT you will go through propane like crazy. Gas and Propane were really difficult to get (I stocked up but was running through (3) 20lb tanks a day). If I ran the lights, outlets, internet, fans etc. I could get 8 hrs. If I turned on the range, water heater, or AC (separate events) I'd kill the tank in 4 hours. If I had it to do over I'd spend more money and go with a larger >=18K KW model, as they would operate the whole house (using only 50% load) on the same amount of propane/gas.
Something to mind with the larger generators is they might not be able to run on a 20lb tank. I'd verify what each model's minimum size tank is and make sure you match that. The smaller tanks can't provide enough flow rate for the larger engines.

Milton survivors here also. This was my strategy after going through Ian. Since it's just 2 adults in the house, we can live without some essentials like hot water (the tank will keep the water warm-ish for a few days) and using the range or dryer. I opted for the Wen 8750 inverter with a bunch of 20lb tanks. Also installed an Easy Start for the A/C (3.5 ton) and was able to easily run it on this generator. When the A/C is not running, the generator goes into ECO mode and uses way less fuel. IMO it's worth spending more to go inverter and conserve fuel. 4 days without power and I only used 3.5 20lb tanks of propane (a few were exchanges, so only 15 lbs in them to start). We ran it about 12-14 hours a day and shut it down at night. I was strict with the A/C, only running it when the humidity starting getting higher, and turning it off otherwise (we generally run our A/C at 82 in the summer).

Hope this helps someone prepare for the next storm. Otherwise, sorry for my unsolicited advice Big Grin Big Grin
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Quote from cwhiteh2 :
FWIW, after going through Milton, these generators are touted to the run the entire home, including AC, and they will, BUT you will go through propane like crazy. Gas and Propane were really difficult to get (I stocked up but was running through (3) 20lb tanks a day). If I ran the lights, outlets, internet, fans etc. I could get 8 hrs. If I turned on the range, water heater, or AC (separate events) I'd kill the tank in 4 hours. If I had it to do over I'd spend more money and go with a larger >=18K KW model, as they would operate the whole house (using only 50% load) on the same amount of propane/gas.
Quote from twnukowski :
Something to mind with the larger generators is they might not be able to run on a 20lb tank. I'd verify what each model's minimum size tank is and make sure you match that. The smaller tanks can't provide enough flow rate for the larger engines.

Milton survivors here also. This was my strategy after going through Ian. Since it's just 2 adults in the house, we can live without some essentials like hot water (the tank will keep the water warm-ish for a few days) and using the range or dryer. I opted for the Wen 8750 inverter with a bunch of 20lb tanks. Also installed an Easy Start for the A/C (3.5 ton) and was able to easily run it on this generator. When the A/C is not running, the generator goes into ECO mode and uses way less fuel. IMO it's worth spending more to go inverter and conserve fuel. 4 days without power and I only used 3.5 20lb tanks of propane (a few were exchanges, so only 15 lbs in them to start). We ran it about 12-14 hours a day and shut it down at night. I was strict with the A/C, only running it when the humidity starting getting higher, and turning it off otherwise (we generally run our A/C at 82 in the summer).

Hope this helps someone prepare for the next storm. Otherwise, sorry for my unsolicited advice Big Grin Big Grin
With propane you take a rating hit, and with NG you take an even larger hit vs. gas.

But you discovered the dirty little secret - propane might burn cleaner and store indefinitely, but you don't get a long run time and running continuously is difficult. It's not suggested that you refill gas on the fly but it's possible. You'll get a longer runtime out of gas anyway.

And as for true 240V appliances, yeah don't use them. You can get by for a bit without using the electric range (I use a grill with a side burner), electric oven (save the baking competition for later) or electric dryer (hang clothes out or just plain don't do laundry). The only basic must for 240V is a well pump (if you have one) but that runs intermittently. You can run whole house AC but it's going to be a huge current draw. Most people in storm prone areas don't run whole house AC when they have a utility outage and instead run window units.

The theme is the generator is there just to get you by/make the situation more livable/prevent food waste. These sorts of generators are not really intended to be "life as usual" devices. If you want that, get a whole home standby and run it off NG.
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This model has aluminum windings and higher THD. If you need 5% go with Duromax 13000
For Westinghouse the Wgen11500tfc has 5% thd as well

if you need 3% go with an inverter
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Another Milton surviving family of 5 here. I had 3 generators when Helene hit and when we lost power, I cranked up my tiny 39lb weight, champion dual fuel to run my fridge, deep freezer, ryobi battery charger, and a few fans. It was also enough to run my coffee maker to make a pot of coffee. I left it run for 8 hours and still had over half a tank of propane. I have 6 full tanks of propane (which I have had for years). I never put gasoline in the tank so I never have to worry about it clogging up the jets in the carburetor. I don't really want the hassle of a giant generator to run the 220v stuff, or the fuel consumption to go with it. The reality is that my champion 2500w (1600 running watts on propane) will run a 13,500btu a/c on a travel trailer. When the a/c cycles it sometimes shuts off and needs to be re-started which is a pain, so being that close, I'm sure that if I put gasoline in it and get those extra 200 watts (1800 running watts on gas) it should cycle fine.
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Quote from twnukowski :
Something to mind with the larger generators is they might not be able to run on a 20lb tank. I'd verify what each model's minimum size tank is and make sure you match that. The smaller tanks can't provide enough flow rate for the larger engines.

Milton survivors here also. This was my strategy after going through Ian. Since it's just 2 adults in the house, we can live without some essentials like hot water (the tank will keep the water warm-ish for a few days) and using the range or dryer. I opted for the Wen 8750 inverter with a bunch of 20lb tanks. Also installed an Easy Start for the A/C (3.5 ton) and was able to easily run it on this generator. When the A/C is not running, the generator goes into ECO mode and uses way less fuel. IMO it's worth spending more to go inverter and conserve fuel. 4 days without power and I only used 3.5 20lb tanks of propane (a few were exchanges, so only 15 lbs in them to start). We ran it about 12-14 hours a day and shut it down at night. I was strict with the A/C, only running it when the humidity starting getting higher, and turning it off otherwise (we generally run our A/C at 82 in the summer).

Hope this helps someone prepare for the next storm. Otherwise, sorry for my unsolicited advice Big Grin Big Grin
82 in the summer?
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Aluminum windings, not copper is a definite no for me
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Quote from FloridaKevin :
Another Milton surviving family of 5 here. I had 3 generators when Helene hit and when we lost power, I cranked up my tiny 39lb weight, champion dual fuel to run my fridge, deep freezer, ryobi battery charger, and a few fans. It was also enough to run my coffee maker to make a pot of coffee. I left it run for 8 hours and still had over half a tank of propane. I have 6 full tanks of propane (which I have had for years). I never put gasoline in the tank so I never have to worry about it clogging up the jets in the carburetor. I don't really want the hassle of a giant generator to run the 220v stuff, or the fuel consumption to go with it. The reality is that my champion 2500w (1600 running watts on propane) will run a 13,500btu a/c on a travel trailer. When the a/c cycles it sometimes shuts off and needs to be re-started which is a pain, so being that close, I'm sure that if I put gasoline in it and get those extra 200 watts (1800 running watts on gas) it should cycle fine.
Curious how the FEMA response was?
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Quote from JimB3957 :
82 in the summer?
Damn straight! As long as the humidity is under control, it's comfortable.
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Quote from FloridaKevin :
Another Milton surviving family of 5 here. I had 3 generators when Helene hit and when we lost power, I cranked up my tiny 39lb weight, champion dual fuel to run my fridge, deep freezer, ryobi battery charger, and a few fans. It was also enough to run my coffee maker to make a pot of coffee. I left it run for 8 hours and still had over half a tank of propane. I have 6 full tanks of propane (which I have had for years). I never put gasoline in the tank so I never have to worry about it clogging up the jets in the carburetor. I don't really want the hassle of a giant generator to run the 220v stuff, or the fuel consumption to go with it. The reality is that my champion 2500w (1600 running watts on propane) will run a 13,500btu a/c on a travel trailer. When the a/c cycles it sometimes shuts off and needs to be re-started which is a pain, so being that close, I'm sure that if I put gasoline in it and get those extra 200 watts (1800 running watts on gas) it should cycle fine.
You can get RV soft start units from Micro Air. That should allow you to run the A/C on the smaller generator. I'm running 3.5 ton A/C on a 8750 watt generator. Worth the cost to not need a larger generator/more fuel/weight/etc.
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Anyone know the difference between the DS13000EH and DS13000MX?


Quote from twnukowski :
Damn straight! As long as the humidity is under control, it's comfortable.
If you can convince yourself that 82 is comfortable, you probably don't even need a backup generator.
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Quote from java568 :
Anyone know the difference between the DS13000EH and DS13000MX?





If you can convince yourself that 82 is comfortable, you probably don't even need a backup generator.

There are separate pages @ Duromax for each unit. The EH is advertised as "Available exclusively at Amazon". That said, just looking at the machines they are different. The EH seems to have a busier panel with more connection options, if any of those are worth it to you.

https://www.duromaxpower.com/prod...w-co-alert

https://www.duromaxpower.com/prod...-generator

MX has:
  • push button start, digital multimeter, battery tender
EH has:
  • AC240V 30A receptacle
  • one less duplex 120V 20A receptacle
  • DC outputs (e.g. charge your car battery @ 12VDC)

Eyeing the other specs they seem identical except the MX is not CARB compliant (CA) whereas the EH is.

EH has copper windings, MX is aluminum.
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Quote from Jordan1918 :
Curious how the FEMA response was?
What's FEMA? Lol, just kidding, they gave everyone around pamphlets and paid for tons of ads and stuff so we could see their name when we had to smell the rotting meat that everyone threw out of their freezers. They provided some paper which was some extra litter floating around the flood waters. Then Florida Emergency management kicked in (pretty quickly) and took over and got everything going again. Fema may provide financial assistance later, but Florida emergency svcs did a kick a*s job of clearing roadways of debris, re-routing traffic where necessary, providing pop-up food/water distribution sites (and even tarps). The only thing that I absolutely hate about what they are doing right now is that they are giving 10 gallons of free gas to everyone (no gas can fills, only for vehicles). I feel like this is insane, at the most, they have 4 pumpers, so there is a crazy line. I don't think people need free gas especially made to wait 1-2hrs in line. If they would have taken that same gas to any station and put it in the gas station's tanks they could have dispensed it at least twice as fast. Now if they would have done it 4×, then there would be no line, and people could get back to doing normal daily things or clean-ups. I just feel like they are treating us like chickens made to feed from their hands. 10gal @$3.20/gal is $32, the state is eating that cost, not sure why. First they said not everyone can get to a gas station that had power... I call BS because they set up these gas give-a-way sites like 10 miles apart, and you have to pass like 20+ gas stations to get to one. Other than the gas thing, Florida emergency services has been amazing. FEMA, maybe they just take longer to kick in. I am not a fan of what they have done in NC and TN by blocking aid relief because it isn't their approved vendors. If they aren't going to help, GTF out of the way.
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Ok, this might help out some people out there that have gas generators..... Despite popular mythology.... GASOLINE DOES NOT GO "BAD" you can keep it indefinitely. To those moaning already, hear me out.... the national gas reserve, oil reserve they store it for years and zero issues, think about that. Now I'll explain it to you. What makes gas go "bad" is called evaporation because of vapor pressure. This is when a liquid wants to vaporize into gas so much that it creates pressure, vapor pressure. To keep gasoline from going bad, simply put it in an airtight container that can hold the vapor pressure and not let it off gass. If you use metal container this isn't an issue as most of them are strong enough to hold the pressure. Plastic containers can hold the pressure also, but not all of them can. You have to pick containers that have screw down vents as the non screw down often can't hold the pressure. Plastic containers will also swell and get kinda rounded. Also, vapor pressure is a function of temperature so the hotter it is in the environment around the gas container, the higher the vapor pressure is. Now, if you do not contain and hold this pressure, the gasoline will turn into vapor, the lighter components first then the heavier components and the gasoline eventually loses mass till all that remains are the heaviest components, we call this bitumen then eventually tar then eventually coal. So, to recap.... just make sure your gasoline container can hold the vapor pressure of gasoline and it won't ever go bad. In a plastic container there is slow migration through the plastic itself so if your going to keep it super long term, go with a metal container. But I've had the same gasoline in the same plastic walmart containers for probably 10 years plus. I can and have used it in my weed whackers and generators and it runs great. I've also used it in a car that was low on gas and what I had handy was a 10+ year 5gal jug of gas and again, it ran fine. Gasoline does not go bad as long as you hold it's vapor pressure.
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