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expired Posted by tDames | Staff • Mar 23, 2025
Mar 23, 2025 4:43 PM
24TB Seagate BarraCuda 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
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190 MB/s why so slow hmmm
Power-On Hours (per year) 2400 = 100 days so not for NAS? hmmm
edit: info's from
https://www.seagate.com/content/d...-en_US.pdf
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I wonder if this has anything to do with the price. Started with enterprise Exos, then IronWolfs... These 24tb are newer models, but...
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UPDATE: They didn't go for $225 either
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Non-EXOS Barracudas as of last week have been seen as high as 26TB. Only 28TB and up remains EXOS only.
Keep in mind these will likely have firmware coding to tolerate the rebinning of platters that didn't pass muster for EXOS.
Hence even if the platters are EXOS, drive performance may be worse regardless... Simply for having Barracuda firmware.
Pains me to say all that. As a kid and young adult, Barracudas meant performance. Barracuda XT was innovation defined.
But the world has changed.
Truth still manages to come out.
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Not with my collection. I don't think I'd make it out the A's 😉
190 MB/s why so slow hmmm
Power-On Hours (per year) 2400 = 100 days so not for NAS? hmmm
edit: info's from
https://www.seagate.com/content/d...-en_US.pdf
:tide
:edit2:
I wonder if this has anything to do with the price. Started with enterprise Exos, then IronWolfs... These 24tb are newer models, but...
Fraudulent hard drive scandal deepens at Seagate: Clues point at Chinese Chia mining farms
https://www.tomshardwar
Seagate's fraudulent HDD scandal expands: IronWolf Pro hard drives reportedly also affected
https://www.tomshardwar
Seagate hard drive controversy persists as scammers discover methods to alter reliability metrics
https://www.tomshardwar
2tide:
I don't think these would be affected by the Chia mining scandal. These HAMR drives are brand new to the market.
Definitely do not buy a Barracuda for home server usage, or even necessarily to use as a normal storage drive in your primary computer. Per the manufacturers own specs, it will be toast after running 24/7 for 100 days. You'd get 6.5 hours/day of runtime if you want to keep it for a year. Using it as a big fat drive in an enclosure that you turn on occasionally for backups or transferring files? Probably fine. Otherwise it's unstable junk.
The specs do not say the Barracuda will be toast after 100 days of 24/7 usage. Also, it's explicitly advertised for use in home servers.
Hence even if the platters are EXOS, drive performance may be worse regardless... Simply for having Barracuda firmware.
The offer button is on a bunch of random items, so they might have flagged it accidentally as taking offers.
They'd probably be more likely to accept if you put in for multiple units.
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I don't think these would be affected by the Chia mining scandal. These HAMR drives are brand new to the market.
Not going to happen anytime soon, if ever. It's amazing they're able to pack this much storage in a 3.5" drive. They're cramming 10+ platters in there. I think 2.5" drives top out around 2TB, without getting into problematic heights. They're also usually SMR.
I believe there are multiple 24TB Exos drives. There's the old X24 and the newer HAMR version, which ironically is a bit slower.
The specs do not say the Barracuda will be toast after 100 days of 24/7 usage. Also, it's explicitly advertised for use in home servers.
The one I tested seemed to perform pretty close to the numbers in the HAMR Exos data sheet, and definitely far above what they put in the Barracuda specs. The clearest (and probably not very significant) difference was the lack of the fancy cache you see in the Exos line. Overall, it seemed to perform very similar to the IronWolf Pro.
None of that surprises me. The problem is... It's now officially a shot in the dark.
We won't know for months until there's major scale how deep the HAMR platter rebinning goes.
Past history there with Seagate is enough to make me say no-way.
Maybe Seagate knows that they have a history and has decided HAMR is the point they match EXOS as the baseline in durability. I think I'm well within reason to say... I have my doubts.
I don't think these would be affected by the Chia mining scandal. These HAMR drives are brand new to the market.
Not going to happen anytime soon, if ever. It's amazing they're able to pack this much storage in a 3.5" drive. They're cramming 10+ platters in there. I think 2.5" drives top out around 2TB, without getting into problematic heights. They're also usually SMR.
I believe there are multiple 24TB Exos drives. There's the old X24 and the newer HAMR version, which ironically is a bit slower.
The specs do not say the Barracuda will be toast after 100 days of 24/7 usage. Also, it's explicitly advertised for use in home servers.
The one I tested seemed to perform pretty close to the numbers in the HAMR Exos data sheet, and definitely far above what they put in the Barracuda specs. The clearest (and probably not very significant) difference was the lack of the fancy cache you see in the Exos line. Overall, it seemed to perform very similar to the IronWolf Pro.
Power-on Hours (per year): 2400
Workload rate limit (TB/year): 120
Warranty: 2 years
Now, I won't claim that a drive will magically turn to dust the moment that it hits any of these metrics. Yours could last ten years. Who knows.
But it *absolutely will* be out of warranty the moment you run it for 101 days in the first year or 200 days, ever. If you download 24TB of media, stream it once, then seed it to a 1.0 ratio then you've eaten up 72 of the 120TB workload rate. Now imagine you're sharing media with a few friends, running a database with high I/O or have a dozen apps constantly writing logs.
The manufacturer is *absolutely certain* that you are so likely to face data loss or bad sectors after this point that they can't reasonably lie or fudge these numbers to claim otherwise. And these hard drive manufacturers are happy to publish MTBF times that are greater than the number of years since hard drives were invented.
It's great that they provide "home server" as an example use case in the marketing material, but it's simply not a "server" drive unless yours is powered down for 20 hours a day. It's a straight up low grade consumer backup drive that suffers from poor reliability in exchange for storage density.
I have no love or or hate for any particular brands and would say the same about any $11/TB drive with such horrible reliability. Don't use it in your server. Don't expect it to store your important backups or family photos. You're seriously better off with a refurb enterprise drive or even a sketchy white label re-brand.
Power-on Hours (per year): 2400
Workload rate limit (TB/year): 120
Warranty: 2 years
Now, I won't claim that a drive will magically turn to dust the moment that it hits any of these metrics. Yours could last ten years. Who knows.
But it *absolutely will* be out of warranty the moment you run it for 101 days in the first year or 200 days, ever. If you download 24TB of media, stream it once, then seed it to a 1.0 ratio then you've eaten up 72 of the 120TB workload rate. Now imagine you're sharing media with a few friends, running a database with high I/O or have a dozen apps constantly writing logs.
The manufacturer is *absolutely certain* that you are so likely to face data loss or bad sectors after this point that they can't reasonably lie or fudge these numbers to claim otherwise. And these hard drive manufacturers are happy to publish MTBF times that are greater than the number of years since hard drives were invented.
It's great that they provide "home server" as an example use case in the marketing material, but it's simply not a "server" drive unless yours is powered down for 20 hours a day. It's a straight up low grade consumer backup drive that suffers from poor reliability in exchange for storage density.
I have no love or or hate for any particular brands and would say the same about any $11/TB drive with such horrible reliability. Don't use it in your server. Don't expect it to store your important backups or family photos. You're seriously better off with a refurb enterprise drive or even a sketchy white label re-brand.
https://www.seagate.com/content/d...-en_US.pdf
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Power-on Hours (per year): 2400
Workload rate limit (TB/year): 120
Warranty: 2 years
Now, I won't claim that a drive will magically turn to dust the moment that it hits any of these metrics. Yours could last ten years. Who knows.
But it *absolutely will* be out of warranty the moment you run it for 101 days in the first year or 200 days, ever.
Now that I think about it, the workload rate limit seems especially muddy for a drive that's not rated to run 24x7. The number is inherently tied to power-on hours, as you can see from their own equation:
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