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The 15 is a decent platform for light gaming. The storage and memory are underwhelming. The 4060 is showing its age and it is difficult to upgrade these medium size desktops to anything further due to proprietary PSU and tight case fitting.
This deal is way over priced for a lower spec refurbished unit. Check out the deals for "sale" units at the official HP website.
Still don't understand how one refurbs a desktop, but $700 for a refurb 4060 PC is not a great deal
I'd agree completely, purchased a i5-13400, 4060, 16gb ram, and 1tb SSD prebuild late 2023 for $600. Fast forward 1-1/2 years and I hope for a slightly larger upgrade than bumping up to an i7 still....gen 13.
And blaming "tariffs" is just plain lazy and doesn't make sense...did the refurb get imported new AND sold AND returned AND repaired AND shipped out again in the last few weeks? LOL. Not to mention computer components normally drop in price regardless. Tariffs, supply chain shortages, etc might change the scale of the decline (over a long period) but shouldn't reverse it unless something crazy happens like the crypto mining silliness that plagued GPU's for several years but was clearly a one off situation.
Let me introduce you to my friends mister canned air, a rag, and a tester, and a box.
What single "tester" magically rules out many of the reasons for a returned PC. Chasing infrequent and seemingly random crashes, BSOD, etc can be a months long challenge...and requires many tools / programs to finally pinpoint what might be the issue (if hardware related at all). Anything from a faulty plug, crappy PSU, bad firmware install, RAM with a random bad sector, poor heat paste application, dangerously overclocked (even in the past) CPU and / or GPU....too many to list. But a can of air and a rag will fix all of that
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Moreover, unless you am getting an insane deal on a used PC (aka not this one) you know might require heavy tinkering to get functional, I am not sure many people approach the concept of prebuilts with the mindset they'll probably need to devote many hours of time (and tools) to get running reliably. Kinda defeats the purpose of a prebuild...doesn't it?
That being said a vast majority of returns / refurbs are new, or like new, with no issues or even signs of handling. But they do come with enhanced risks therefore should cost LESS vs a brand new / sealed equivalent. This risk:reward relationship doesn't compute.
What single "tester" magically rules out many of the reasons for a returned PC. Chasing infrequent and seemingly random crashes, BSOD, etc can be a months long challenge...and requires many tools / programs to finally pinpoint what might be the issue (if hardware related at all). Anything from a faulty plug, crappy PSU, bad firmware install, RAM with a random bad sector, poor heat paste application, dangerously overclocked (even in the past) CPU and / or GPU....too many to list. But a can of air and a rag will fix all of that
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Moreover, unless you am getting an insane deal on a used PC (aka not this one) you know might require heavy tinkering to get functional, I am not sure many people approach the concept of prebuilts with the mindset they'll probably need to devote many hours of time (and tools) to get running reliably. Kinda defeats the purpose of a prebuild...doesn't it?
That being said a vast majority of returns / refurbs are new, or like new, with no issues or even signs of handling. But they do come with enhanced risks therefore should cost LESS vs a brand new / sealed equivalent. This risk:reward relationship doesn't compute.
A high school level PC tech can troubleshoot components.
"A high school level PC tech can troubleshoot components."
Yet most adults can't....funny how that works. And I wonder what that high schooler (or an adult for that matter) would think about needing to troubleshoot a brand new out of the box PC that was sold as factory tested, like new, and refurbished. Might as well buy a used computer off FB marketplace for pennies on the dollar if you are going to go through that process.....not paying retail. This is SlickDeals.net. Not payfullretailthanstillhavetodumphoursoftimeintofixingsomethingjustsoitmightwork.net.
Thanks for the video completely deflecting my question about this Swiss army knife "tester" of yours. Perhaps you can ask that high school level PC tech what tEsTeR they recommend
Funny thing is you clearly aren't even "high school level PC tech" if you think there is such a magic tester or a "rag" is going to fix a PC. Thanks for playing though. I wish there was a youtube video I could link to that might help you but sadly there isn't...youtube ain't that good.
I'd agree completely, purchased a i5-13400, 4060, 16gb ram, and 1tb SSD prebuild late 2023 for $600. Fast forward 1-1/2 years and I hope for a slightly larger upgrade than bumping up to an i7 still....gen 13.And blaming "tariffs" is just plain lazy and doesn't make sense...did the refurb get imported new AND sold AND returned AND repaired AND shipped out again in the last few weeks? LOL. Not to mention computer components normally drop in price regardless. Tariffs, supply chain shortages, etc might change the scale of the decline (over a long period) but shouldn't reverse it unless something crazy happens like the crypto mining silliness that plagued GPU's for several years but was clearly a one off situation.
This is an incorrect understanding of how supply chains work. Look up replacement cost pricing -- often, prices are set based on what it costs to replenish the existing stock.
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Tariffs plain and simple. Even if it was cheaper, the business can charge more to make up for loss profits on incoming PCs and put the blame on tariffs.
Yup people are on denial but if whatever the heck is going on doesn't revert and quick we will be seeing a lot do electronics be way more expensive 10-20 percent more is minimum
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This is an incorrect understanding of a debate works, you can't just scream "wRoNg" and think that makes you right
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LOL, I work in supply chains at the wholesale level. And yes, SOMETIMES pricing is set on replenished cost on commodities (normally it is 'averaged' through) but when pricing is set by (especially anticipated) replacement cost on durable goods it tends to be, 99% of the time, to be just a level in the supply chain trying to grab extra margin and use (whatever the current panic is) as the excuse. We had manufacturers during COVID releasing "price increase SCHEDULES" a year ahead of time. How did they magically know this price increase before they even occurred??🤔
And again, "landed" cost on a refurb (which is based on last RECEIVED cost on the brand-new import item that hasn't needing refurbing yet), that isn't going to be altered by tariff within a few weeks. Also the reasoning for the refurbishing isn't known yet either. Could be hardware or software, most of that is going to be LABOR regardless (aka not tariffed). Yet again....most of these tariffs didn't exist until very recently and a BROKEN (aka needs to be refurbished) direct cost isn't going to change based on it regardless.
Moreover, technological goods generally lose value over time. Consequently, older inventory is often sold below original cost to avoid it becoming obsolete, a factor typically built into global margin strategies. Such as computers with Gen 13 Intel processors…two, maybe 3 generations old.
Not to mention you are just splitting hairs to begin with. Some rando in the comments blamed tariffs and now you are acting like that is a forgone collusion. Lets first prove this pricing is due to tariffs before we get sidetracking in a quest to help you understand basic economic theory.
Man's on his sperg rage about protecting tariffs.
I'm actually inclined to further distrust a supply chain wholesaler who will undoubtedly benefit from price gouging domestic products due to their tarriffed competition. At the very least, I wouldn't consider that a qualifier to speak on international trade policy and it's impact on markets.
Man's acting like a used car salesman saying "trust me, I'm a used car salesman" lol
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This deal is way over priced for a lower spec refurbished unit. Check out the deals for "sale" units at the official HP website.
I agree specially for gaming
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And blaming "tariffs" is just plain lazy and doesn't make sense...did the refurb get imported new AND sold AND returned AND repaired AND shipped out again in the last few weeks? LOL. Not to mention computer components normally drop in price regardless. Tariffs, supply chain shortages, etc might change the scale of the decline (over a long period) but shouldn't reverse it unless something crazy happens like the crypto mining silliness that plagued GPU's for several years but was clearly a one off situation.
[IMG]https://static.slickdealscdn.com/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]
Moreover, unless you am getting an insane deal on a used PC (aka not this one) you know might require heavy tinkering to get functional, I am not sure many people approach the concept of prebuilts with the mindset they'll probably need to devote many hours of time (and tools) to get running reliably. Kinda defeats the purpose of a prebuild...doesn't it?
That being said a vast majority of returns / refurbs are new, or like new, with no issues or even signs of handling. But they do come with enhanced risks therefore should cost LESS vs a brand new / sealed equivalent. This risk:reward relationship doesn't compute.
[IMG]https://static.slickdealscdn.com/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]
Moreover, unless you am getting an insane deal on a used PC (aka not this one) you know might require heavy tinkering to get functional, I am not sure many people approach the concept of prebuilts with the mindset they'll probably need to devote many hours of time (and tools) to get running reliably. Kinda defeats the purpose of a prebuild...doesn't it?
That being said a vast majority of returns / refurbs are new, or like new, with no issues or even signs of handling. But they do come with enhanced risks therefore should cost LESS vs a brand new / sealed equivalent. This risk:reward relationship doesn't compute.
Here's a step by step video for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNL6JuK
Yet most adults can't....funny how that works. And I wonder what that high schooler (or an adult for that matter) would think about needing to troubleshoot a brand new out of the box PC that was sold as factory tested, like new, and refurbished. Might as well buy a used computer off FB marketplace for pennies on the dollar if you are going to go through that process.....not paying retail. This is SlickDeals.net. Not payfullretailthanstillhavetodumphoursoftimeintofixingsomethingjustsoitmightwork.net.
Thanks for the video completely deflecting my question about this Swiss army knife "tester" of yours. Perhaps you can ask that high school level PC tech what tEsTeR they recommend
Funny thing is you clearly aren't even "high school level PC tech" if you think there is such a magic tester or a "rag" is going to fix a PC. Thanks for playing though. I wish there was a youtube video I could link to that might help you but sadly there isn't...youtube ain't that good.
Yup people are on denial but if whatever the heck is going on doesn't revert and quick we will be seeing a lot do electronics be way more expensive 10-20 percent more is minimum
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LOL, I work in supply chains at the wholesale level. And yes, SOMETIMES pricing is set on replenished cost on commodities (normally it is 'averaged' through) but when pricing is set by (especially anticipated) replacement cost on durable goods it tends to be, 99% of the time, to be just a level in the supply chain trying to grab extra margin and use (whatever the current panic is) as the excuse. We had manufacturers during COVID releasing "price increase SCHEDULES" a year ahead of time. How did they magically know this price increase before they even occurred??🤔
And again, "landed" cost on a refurb (which is based on last RECEIVED cost on the brand-new import item that hasn't needing refurbing yet), that isn't going to be altered by tariff within a few weeks. Also the reasoning for the refurbishing isn't known yet either. Could be hardware or software, most of that is going to be LABOR regardless (aka not tariffed). Yet again....most of these tariffs didn't exist until very recently and a BROKEN (aka needs to be refurbished) direct cost isn't going to change based on it regardless.
Moreover, technological goods generally lose value over time. Consequently, older inventory is often sold below original cost to avoid it becoming obsolete, a factor typically built into global margin strategies. Such as computers with Gen 13 Intel processors…two, maybe 3 generations old.
Not to mention you are just splitting hairs to begin with. Some rando in the comments blamed tariffs and now you are acting like that is a forgone collusion. Lets first prove this pricing is due to tariffs before we get sidetracking in a quest to help you understand basic economic theory.
I'm actually inclined to further distrust a supply chain wholesaler who will undoubtedly benefit from price gouging domestic products due to their tarriffed competition. At the very least, I wouldn't consider that a qualifier to speak on international trade policy and it's impact on markets.
Man's acting like a used car salesman saying "trust me, I'm a used car salesman" lol