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Model: Hooyman 4lb Club Sledge Hammer with Heavy Duty Construction, Ergonomic No-Slip H-Grip Handles, Solid Fiberglass Cores, and Epoxy Sealed Heads for Construction, Gardening, Yard Work, and Outdoors
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I have both a 4 and 6 lb that are ten inches in total and they both work wonderfully for what they are designed for. A 4 lb sledge is typically short handled as it gives you great control yet still plenty of power. For chiseling, drilling or driving application where you are holding the tool you do not want a long hammer handle. Long handles also do not work well in tight areas like under car.
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You're vague when you're referring to "long handles". The word 'long' is subjective.
Would you consider this 14.88" hand sledge to be too 'long handled'? https://www.amazon.com/Spec-Ops-E...B0DBVYB16P[amazon.com]
I wasn't asking for the Hooyman handle to be 18" to 24" long. But approx 14" is reasonable.
I'm simply saying this Hooyman sledge with a TOTAL length of 10.5" will bring some shortcomings that ppl apparently miss.
Contrary to what you think, a sledge with a bit longer handle (12" handle, approx 14" total tool length) actually works better in most tight areas than the same weight hand sledge that's only 10" in total length. There's a technique for working a 3-5 lb hand sledge that involves using both hands on the handle and using the mid-point of the handle as a pivot point. It's been shown to create far stronger impacts from the head than even possible with a short (under 10" handle) in confined spaces.
One must also realize that if you're working in a tight area, with limited swing area, that 4-5 lb head isn't going to build up much velocity and impact, starting from stationary position, swinging with one hand. Even if you're Arnold Schwarzenegger. That's where the slightly longer handle technique comes in.
Also, maintaining full control while using any hammer or sledge shouldn't/doesn't require a 'less than 8.5" handle'. The control comes from the abilities/skills of the user, not the handle length.
In you rush to embarrass cavemen you forgot the physics they knew and you do not. That is why pile drivers are still used everywhere. Why use swing, muscle and bone when you can use mass to deliver power? It is you that will have people confused about the use of a mull and have them turning away form one of the most useful I tools there can be. A long handles sledge is the specialty tool.
One must realize that the point of heavy mulls is that the force comes from the mass versus your muscle. If you long arc swing them like crazy man every time you are missing the point and the benefits of physics and wearing out muscle, tendon and bone unnecessarily.
Your original thought about the caveman with the stone is correct but you missed why the concept is so critical and still used in to many applications to count. It is just why short handled mulls are so good.
You can kind of just drop them to apply force.You do not need to apply extra power you can kind of let the mass do the work for you. Keeping that mass close to hand makes for accuracy without an need for long swings or swings at all. That is just how I find myself using short handled mulls and it is what they are designed for. My arm does not go behind me to swing it stay close to the tool in front of me and I am usually kind of tapping.
A 14" handle for hand work is to long. Think of the physical geometry when you are swing a sledge at a tool in your hand with your other hand. A long handle is problematic and recipe for disaster.
It is the the same reason you do not swing a long handle framing hammer when you are setting finish nails or driving a punch or chisel. My 13" inch general purpose Estwing claw hammer is really to long for many applications and I notice that I choke up to about 10" when using it for that type work. Estwing knows that and actually designed the handle with a second swell there to give better purchase at that point. That swell ends right at 9" and is often the place I am grabbing the hammer when doing it naturally where it feels right and wears on the body the least. Most jobs do not always require maximum power or force applied. If someone gave you that idea dissuade yourself from it as you will be messing up many things and wearing yourself out for no reason.
Hammers are always not about brute force be they sledges or regular. The mass of sledge is enough to do many things and you do not have to do long and powerful swings to use one. All work is not demolition. Mulls can be used to finesse.
Again short handles on a 4lb sledge are typical and are not a problem. In fact I find more use for my short handle sledges than I do for the long handle ones. The ratio of use must be about 20 to 1 or more. The long handles are the far less frequently used and the more niche tool. Tapping or short almost no swing use applications where the mass is your friend and you do not have to do long arc swings are a much more common use than long swing demolition work where your swing like you are trying to kill something. The point of short handle sledge is almost always that you do not have to swing, you more tap letting the mass do the work. If I need more force I grab a heavier short handle sledge.
I've been gutting and remodeling my house for the last four years and the long handle sledges have came out about twice, the short handle sledges are always out and in use. I found the same when I was doing residential home improvement. If you only consider sledges for demotion like when I was knocking down the deck your theories and ideas might alright but that is a very limiting idea about the uses of sledges and mauls.
Do yourself a favor stop theorizing and watching youtube videos about more power and get a short handle mull and learn how to use it. It will stop you from some crazy process and two hand technique with to long a maul while jammed up under a car trying to get a rotor off. Care to tell us how exactly how we get our body and two hands, long handle mull, elbows, arms, shoulders and larger arc to swing in there? Did the video get into that or was it just theory all about maximum force?
Brush up on your reading comprehension. It fails miserably.
Also, a 4 lb hammer head isn't what any reasonable person would call a lot of mass.
Plus... newsflash, a 10" to 12" handle is NOT a "long handled" sledge.
Where do you even get a 14" handle?
That was the TOTAL length (again, reading comprehension), so subtract a few inches for the head and the typical flare at the handle end.
Where do you even get "a long swing"? LOL You are envisioning a fairy tale scenario that's far different than the reality I'm talking about.
I've been using hammers and sledges of every type and weight, for far more various jobs for a helleva lot longer than you, especially with anvil work, I can assure you, so get off your high 'play-pony' horse, and try to keep your wild thought processes in check, as they do not resemble the facts and reality that was in my words.
It's also laughable that you STILL don't understand even one iota of the two-hand hand sledge technique for certain tight areas. smh
No need for insults. I get your feelings are hurt but that is on you my friend. I was in no way rude to you just correcting misinformation you shared and informing you and others of the many used for short handled sledges as you obviously have little knowledge of the many uses of short handled sledges. It is fine that you lack knowledge and understanding but you will stay ignorant if you ignore the obvious. That is fine also but it is not fine that you misguide others out of good deal for one of the most useful general and varied purpose tools around. I mull is signacatly more mass than a claw hammer and will move things further with a lighter tap. 300 to 400 % increase in mass is significant and large. That is physics. A three pound mull dropped on a object willh it it with three times the force of 1 pound hammer.
Milwaukee and Estwing do not make them of them size for no reason and they do not get five stars reviews as they are of little or no use.
This is one handed sledge and you keep acting like all sledge work must entail two hands and a particular swing for power when that is not true at all. You ignore a vast array of possible and obvious uses for this tool and then tell us it is no good as you want it and require it to only do one thing which is be a two handed most powerful swing posible, None of that is rational or reasonable and it reflects on you not the varied and may uses of the tool that even a caveman can see. I know this as I have been using short handled sledges my whole life and as I said earlier there is a ratio of about 20 to 1 or better where I need a long handled mull to swing two handed and that is even with me gutting my basement fairly recently. Splitting wood that comes into play but I have thousands of other uses for the smaller mull and it is seldom a day go by I do not need it for something where a long handled mull and two arm swing would not work.
Mechanics, pointers, handymen and homeowners seldom or never using two handed swings. I don't need a two handed swing to tap a two 2X over between stud bays. I tap it with a small sledge and there is little or no swing at all as the weight will move things. Even framing hammers are often and sometimes mostly used to tap without extreme force and long swings needed. Most people are not blacksmiths working at anvils. I'm outside doing some concrete and remortaring and again using my short sledge and I havent had to do one two handed swing. I don't use a two handed swing hitting the back of rotor as it is impossible anyway. When I tap a block or brick into place no two handed swings are involved.
Standing back and swinging two handed swings at a tent stake might make me look like a big man or possibly a fool bust sure would give fellow campers some giggles and a show. I do not want to play the clown and it is a recipe for disaster. Maybe if they laugh I can tell them I studied the max power theory you reference like it is the one and only proper use for sledge or mull even if it is designed as one handed tool.
My deck also recently was torn down and again I think I used the long two handed sledge maybe once and yet used the smaller one handed sledge during the whole process. These are real work things not theories about max swing power. I'm smart I do the minuiom of work and the proper force necessary and do not immediately assume I have to overkill and hit something as hard as possible in all cases.
You confuse all sledges be the designed as one handed ones with long handled ones and use and miss millions of uses for the short handled ones. You can;'t be doing any real variety of work with one if you only know one application and it must always be a two handed power swing or the sledge is useless or of little use is just factually incorrect. What you keep coming back to with aneed need for a two handed swing is the rarer case and not all work is for heavy powerful swings. You have one idea of a sledge in you head and can imagine no other. It was not the cavemen that l did not understand physics and tool use it is you. They are like this for the same reason we have small hatchets and axes and long and heavy splitting axes and mulls. The majority of homeowners are not doing heavy work and a small mull is the much more useful tool that should be in any basic tool bag. Maybe you have not figured out its use but the most of the rest of civilization has.
You got yourself all emotional but please do not come at me like i did you something wrong. I would also advise to take the below to heart and you then you can expand your understanding of things and not have to be so angry, hurt and confrontational when you may stand corrected.
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Would you consider this 14.88" hand sledge to be too 'long handled'? https://www.amazon.com/Spec-Ops-E...B0DBVYB16P [amazon.com]
I wasn't asking for the Hooyman handle to be 18" to 24" long. But approx 14" is reasonable.
I'm simply saying this Hooyman sledge with a TOTAL length of 10.5" will bring some shortcomings that ppl apparently miss.
Contrary to what you think, a sledge with a bit longer handle (12" handle, approx 14" total tool length) actually works better in most tight areas than the same weight hand sledge that's only 10" in total length. There's a technique for working a 3-5 lb hand sledge that involves using both hands on the handle and using the mid-point of the handle as a pivot point. It's been shown to create far stronger impacts from the head than even possible with a short (under 10" handle) in confined spaces.
One must also realize that if you're working in a tight area, with limited swing area, that 4-5 lb head isn't going to build up much velocity and impact, starting from stationary position, swinging with one hand. Even if you're Arnold Schwarzenegger. That's where the slightly longer handle technique comes in.
Also, maintaining full control while using any hammer or sledge shouldn't/doesn't require a 'less than 8.5" handle'. The control comes from the abilities/skills of the user, not the handle length.
One must realize that the point of heavy mulls is that the force comes from the mass versus your muscle. If you long arc swing them like crazy man every time you are missing the point and the benefits of physics and wearing out muscle, tendon and bone unnecessarily.
Your original thought about the caveman with the stone is correct but you missed why the concept is so critical and still used in to many applications to count. It is just why short handled mulls are so good.
You can kind of just drop them to apply force.You do not need to apply extra power you can kind of let the mass do the work for you. Keeping that mass close to hand makes for accuracy without an need for long swings or swings at all. That is just how I find myself using short handled mulls and it is what they are designed for. My arm does not go behind me to swing it stay close to the tool in front of me and I am usually kind of tapping.
A 14" handle for hand work is to long. Think of the physical geometry when you are swing a sledge at a tool in your hand with your other hand. A long handle is problematic and recipe for disaster.
It is the the same reason you do not swing a long handle framing hammer when you are setting finish nails or driving a punch or chisel. My 13" inch general purpose Estwing claw hammer is really to long for many applications and I notice that I choke up to about 10" when using it for that type work. Estwing knows that and actually designed the handle with a second swell there to give better purchase at that point. That swell ends right at 9" and is often the place I am grabbing the hammer when doing it naturally where it feels right and wears on the body the least. Most jobs do not always require maximum power or force applied. If someone gave you that idea dissuade yourself from it as you will be messing up many things and wearing yourself out for no reason.
Hammers are always not about brute force be they sledges or regular. The mass of sledge is enough to do many things and you do not have to do long and powerful swings to use one. All work is not demolition. Mulls can be used to finesse.
Again short handles on a 4lb sledge are typical and are not a problem. In fact I find more use for my short handle sledges than I do for the long handle ones. The ratio of use must be about 20 to 1 or more. The long handles are the far less frequently used and the more niche tool. Tapping or short almost no swing use applications where the mass is your friend and you do not have to do long arc swings are a much more common use than long swing demolition work where your swing like you are trying to kill something. The point of short handle sledge is almost always that you do not have to swing, you more tap letting the mass do the work. If I need more force I grab a heavier short handle sledge.
I've been gutting and remodeling my house for the last four years and the long handle sledges have came out about twice, the short handle sledges are always out and in use. I found the same when I was doing residential home improvement. If you only consider sledges for demotion like when I was knocking down the deck your theories and ideas might alright but that is a very limiting idea about the uses of sledges and mauls.
Do yourself a favor stop theorizing and watching youtube videos about more power and get a short handle mull and learn how to use it. It will stop you from some crazy process and two hand technique with to long a maul while jammed up under a car trying to get a rotor off. Care to tell us how exactly how we get our body and two hands, long handle mull, elbows, arms, shoulders and larger arc to swing in there? Did the video get into that or was it just theory all about maximum force?
Also, a 4 lb hammer head isn't what any reasonable person would call a lot of mass.
Plus... newsflash, a 10" to 12" handle is NOT a "long handled" sledge.
Where do you even get a 14" handle?
That was the TOTAL length (again, reading comprehension), so subtract a few inches for the head and the typical flare at the handle end.
Where do you even get "a long swing"? LOL You are envisioning a fairy tale scenario that's far different than the reality I'm talking about.
I've been using hammers and sledges of every type and weight, for far more various jobs for a helleva lot longer than you, especially with anvil work, I can assure you, so get off your high 'play-pony' horse, and try to keep your wild thought processes in check, as they do not resemble the facts and reality that was in my words.
It's also laughable that you STILL don't understand even one iota of the two-hand hand sledge technique for certain tight areas. smh
Milwaukee and Estwing do not make them of them size for no reason and they do not get five stars reviews as they are of little or no use.
https://www.amazon.com/Estwing-St...SC3C&psc=1
This is one handed sledge and you keep acting like all sledge work must entail two hands and a particular swing for power when that is not true at all. You ignore a vast array of possible and obvious uses for this tool and then tell us it is no good as you want it and require it to only do one thing which is be a two handed most powerful swing posible, None of that is rational or reasonable and it reflects on you not the varied and may uses of the tool that even a caveman can see. I know this as I have been using short handled sledges my whole life and as I said earlier there is a ratio of about 20 to 1 or better where I need a long handled mull to swing two handed and that is even with me gutting my basement fairly recently. Splitting wood that comes into play but I have thousands of other uses for the smaller mull and it is seldom a day go by I do not need it for something where a long handled mull and two arm swing would not work.
Mechanics, pointers, handymen and homeowners seldom or never using two handed swings. I don't need a two handed swing to tap a two 2X over between stud bays. I tap it with a small sledge and there is little or no swing at all as the weight will move things. Even framing hammers are often and sometimes mostly used to tap without extreme force and long swings needed. Most people are not blacksmiths working at anvils. I'm outside doing some concrete and remortaring and again using my short sledge and I havent had to do one two handed swing. I don't use a two handed swing hitting the back of rotor as it is impossible anyway. When I tap a block or brick into place no two handed swings are involved.
Standing back and swinging two handed swings at a tent stake might make me look like a big man or possibly a fool bust sure would give fellow campers some giggles and a show. I do not want to play the clown and it is a recipe for disaster. Maybe if they laugh I can tell them I studied the max power theory you reference like it is the one and only proper use for sledge or mull even if it is designed as one handed tool.
My deck also recently was torn down and again I think I used the long two handed sledge maybe once and yet used the smaller one handed sledge during the whole process. These are real work things not theories about max swing power. I'm smart I do the minuiom of work and the proper force necessary and do not immediately assume I have to overkill and hit something as hard as possible in all cases.
You confuse all sledges be the designed as one handed ones with long handled ones and use and miss millions of uses for the short handled ones. You can;'t be doing any real variety of work with one if you only know one application and it must always be a two handed power swing or the sledge is useless or of little use is just factually incorrect. What you keep coming back to with aneed need for a two handed swing is the rarer case and not all work is for heavy powerful swings. You have one idea of a sledge in you head and can imagine no other. It was not the cavemen that l did not understand physics and tool use it is you. They are like this for the same reason we have small hatchets and axes and long and heavy splitting axes and mulls. The majority of homeowners are not doing heavy work and a small mull is the much more useful tool that should be in any basic tool bag. Maybe you have not figured out its use but the most of the rest of civilization has.
You got yourself all emotional but please do not come at me like i did you something wrong. I would also advise to take the below to heart and you then you can expand your understanding of things and not have to be so angry, hurt and confrontational when you may stand corrected.
Herbert Spencer