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Powecom KN95 masks (on FDA apprv. list as of 06/17) from Manufacturer Authorized US Distributor $18.50/10pcs

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21.99 for 10 pcs and 14.99 for 5.

Headbands are now $29/10. Also, coupon code SAVE5 take 5% off either headbands or earloops.

$18.89 /10pcs Free shipping
$54 /30pcs ($1.8 per mask) Free shipping


The price is raised to $29/10pcs, maybe due to SD effect and/or use of free shipping code

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Just read a news release when I was trying to find some product info:

June 16th, 2020

Guangzhou Powecom Labor Insurance Supplies Co., Ltd appoints www.bonafidemasks.com , a division of Ball Chain Mfg. Co., Inc. as the new premier distributor for our FDA Authorized KN95 mask products in the USA.

News link:
http://powecom.com/eng_news_08.html

Shopping link:
https://bonafidemasks.com/Powecom-kn-95/

FDA Appendix A: Authorized Imported, Non-NIOSH Approved Respirators Manufactured in China (Updated: June 17, 2020) [fda.gov]

The unit price isn't cheap: $2.4 each and shipping fee is kind of high: around $14 per order via UPS ground, although you can order more to cut down both unit price and shipping cost per unit.

However, this may be the first time we know we can get a quality KN95 on FDA authorization list from a trustful vendor which is endorsed by manufacturer.


Disclaimer: I am not associated with Powecom or its distributors. I am providing the aforementioned and forthcoming information based on online research, in order to help people who may need quality masks during current pandemic. I am not responsible for the accuracy of information and quality of Powecome's product. Please make purchase decision based on your own situation.
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Update:
21.99 for 10 pcs and 14.99 for 5.

Headbands are now $29/10. Also, coupon code SAVE5 take 5% off either headbands or earloops.

$18.89 /10pcs Free shipping
$54 /30pcs ($1.8 per mask) Free shipping


The price is raised to $29/10pcs, maybe due to SD effect and/or use of free shipping code

----- old post -----

Just read a news release when I was trying to find some product info:

June 16th, 2020

Guangzhou Powecom Labor Insurance Supplies Co., Ltd appoints www.bonafidemasks.com , a division of Ball Chain Mfg. Co., Inc. as the new premier distributor for our FDA Authorized KN95 mask products in the USA.

News link:
http://powecom.com/eng_news_08.html

Shopping link:
https://bonafidemasks.com/Powecom-kn-95/

FDA Appendix A: Authorized Imported, Non-NIOSH Approved Respirators Manufactured in China (Updated: June 17, 2020) [fda.gov]

The unit price isn't cheap: $2.4 each and shipping fee is kind of high: around $14 per order via UPS ground, although you can order more to cut down both unit price and shipping cost per unit.

However, this may be the first time we know we can get a quality KN95 on FDA authorization list from a trustful vendor which is endorsed by manufacturer.


Disclaimer: I am not associated with Powecom or its distributors. I am providing the aforementioned and forthcoming information based on online research, in order to help people who may need quality masks during current pandemic. I am not responsible for the accuracy of information and quality of Powecome's product. Please make purchase decision based on your own situation.

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Quote from namahs :
WHAT? and these are considered FDA certified?
Perhaps we should file a report with the FDA to get them taken off the EUA list...

Edit: Report filed. I suggest others do the same if yours fail as well.
Last edited by Surly3 July 2, 2020 at 08:01 AM.
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Well s***. I just tested one of mine and water beads almost immediately along the front ridge stiching. Takes about a minute though before a drop forms large enough to fall off. Seems like garbage to me now, even the Snowjoe ones I discarded didn't do this. I guess I'm done with all these unless they are 3M, Honeywell, or NIOSH approved. If you bought 100 you should definitely look at returning them all.
Hey guys don't want to burst your bubble, however, what you are talking about is not a filtration test, but one that has been propagated by social media. You have sadly been misinformed. The only actual liquid barrier test that is performed on respirator masks is for a small classification known as Surgical N95's, which are considered medical devices by the FDA. Also, liquid barrier protection is rated by ASTM and not NIOSH. Your standard N95 from 3m or Honeywell is not designed for liquid barrier protection and the ability of it to hold water has zero impact on filtration. I emailed Powecom after seeing some of these posts just to be sure and recieved the following back:

IT IS NOT scientific to test qualified KN95 masks by pouring water into them. The dripping test is just a rumor. Firstly, water will destroy the protection ability of the melt blown filtering layer, that means: Water will destroy the effectiveness of the face mask; Secondly, too much water has weight (universal force[Laugh]) , so too much water will drip. Also, : The first layer of nonwoven material can let O2 (= oxygen ) pass through the face mask. That is why, the 1st Layer of face mask cannot 100% block water, especially when there is too much (for example, a cup of Water , too much water !!) pour in the face mask. This is not a scientific test and should not be used. Below are links from actual testing reports from the NPPTL that may be helpful

Guangzhou Powecom Labor Insurance Supplies Co., Ltd.KN95GB262699.2898.962020-211.1pdf icon [cdc.gov]
Guangzhou Powecom Labor Insurance Supplies Co., Ltd.KN95GB262699.5698.182020-303.1pdf icon [cdc.gov]

Just want to make sure you guys have all the information. N95's are not for liquid barrier protection and neither are KN95's. The only liquid barrier protection masks are real ASTM surgical masks and Surgical N95's, which right now should be reserved ONLY for healthcare professionals.
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Quote from Surly3 :
Perhaps we should file a report with the FDA to get them taken off the EUA list...

Edit: Report filed. I suggest others do the same if yours fail as well.
Purchased these masks and I am fine with them. The FDA & CDC already tested these masks. A water test is not a part of their test because it is not a real scientific test. Just social media being social media. Here are the actual NIOSH/FDA/CDC tests on the masks.

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/r...ed-508.pdf

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/r...ed-508.pdf

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Anyone with the Harley's do a water test ? I wonder what it'll be like.
Quote from namahs :
WHAT? and these are considered FDA certified?
GUYS. You have to stop spreading misinformation about masks. There is no such thing as a water test and FDA certified is not an applicable designation either. You FDA approved for medical devices and FDA authorized, which is a designation created when the FDA releases and emergency authorization. The Powecom KN95's have been tested by the CDC/NIOSH/FDA and because of how they tested are included in that emergency authorization.
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Quote from MaroonMaid297 :
GUYS. You have to stop spreading misinformation about masks. There is no such thing as a water test and FDA certified is not an applicable designation either. You FDA approved for medical devices and FDA authorized, which is a designation created when the FDA releases and emergency authorization. The Powecom KN95's have been tested by the CDC/NIOSH/FDA and because of how they tested are included in that emergency authorization.
I had thought about the surgical, ASTM, etc but I figured the water test was good for these types as well. Thanks for the information to clear things up Smilie
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Quote from acheron2000 :
I just received my order of 100 Powecom KN95 with anti-fake sticker. Did water test on 3 which failed from a 10 pack. 1st one, poured 1/2 cup of water to inside side of mask which took 5 sec to leak. 2nd one, took 8 sec to leak. 3rd, inverted to outside side which took 25 sec to leak. Can anyone test their recent Powecom KN95?
Guys dont spread misinformation about PPE during a crisis. Not good. What you are talking about is social media spread fake tests not scientific tests. KN95s nor Standard N95's are designed for liquid barrier protection, but for air filtration. The only liquid barrier protection respirator is a surgical N95 and those should be left to healthcare professionals right now and are considered medical devices. Also, for anyone else out there if you poured a bunch of water into your KN95 regardless of the brand STOP AND DO NOT USE IT....you just damaged the filtration layers and it is no longer effective.
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I wanted sources so here they are. Skip to the bottom for a summary.

NIOSH (occupation health) wanted to see if NIOSH approved N95 respirators were splash resistant, even though NIOSH N95 approval doesn't require liquid resistance but for medical use, the FDA does require splash resistance for small amounts of liquid (about 2ml).
So NIOSH/CDC did a study which is summarized here:
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/Researc...-Resistant

And available here:
https://www.ajicjournal.org/artic...5/abstract


They tested by using ASTM F1862 / F1862M, which uses synthetic blood (which is thicker than water) splashing rather than filling the mask with water.
"Medical face masks are intended to resist liquid penetration from the splatter or splashing of blood, body fluids, and other potentially infectious materials."
"This test method is used to evaluate the resistance of medical face masks to penetration by the impact of a small volume (~2 mL) of a high-velocity stream of synthetic blood."


So I don't know about KN95's but N95's don't require any fluid resistance however medical mask approved by the FDA for use in at least some healthcare settings are required to resist a small amount of liquid splatter, which is more viscous than water.
https://www.astm.org/Standards/F1862.htm
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Quote from Surly3 :
Well s***. I just tested one of mine and water beads almost immediately along the front ridge stiching. Takes about a minute though before a drop forms large enough to fall off. Seems like garbage to me now, even the Snowjoe ones I discarded didn't do this. I guess I'm done with all these unless they are 3M, Honeywell, or NIOSH approved. If you bought 100 you should definitely look at returning them all.
Note, not all face mask has fluid-resistant test since they usually not required for non-surgical mask. I think KN95 GB19083–2010 (not the more common KN95 posted in SD that only meet GB2626–2006) has fluid-resistant test.

The same with N95, only surgical N95 has hight fluid resistance test. 3M N95 dust mask won't have fluid resistance test. Like someone said, NIOSH Approved don't have requirement for fluid resistance. Only FDA Cleared Surgical N95 or Surgical Masks has fluid resistance requirement. That's why before the face mask shortage, back in Jan, everyone keep saying should buy "Surgical" face mask if possible for flu/Covid-19, etc and not the dust mask or just any (non-ASTM F2100) medical use mask.

For 3-ply mask, again only certain standard like USA Standard ASTM F2100 Level 1 2 3, China standard Surgical Mask ( YY/0469 ), Europian standard surgical fluid-resistant represented by Type R, etc, has hight fluid resistance test


In short, any face mask that didn't have the word "Surgical" on the package, then fluid resistance is hit or miss since there is no fluid resistance requirement for non-Surgical mask. But I think good manufacturer may still product high quality product using high quality material that may have some water resistance and pass the water test people try. Especially 3-ply face mask which usually didn't have stitching right in the middle of face mask so better chance of passing water test people use. While KN95 there may be stitching right in the middle which more likely cause issue with water resistance which is not part of the GB2626–2006 requirement.

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https://matters.news/@avengermojo...rvpmmiv734
  • Medical Face Mask ( YY/T0969)
    Basically this is a BFE (3.0 Microns Bacteria Filtration Efficiency ) >95% Mask. It is most likely a 2D flat base with 3 layers. Basically this is considered as a regular face mask that both US and Europe has higher standard requirement then this.
    Other test standards go along with this mask will include:
    GB/T 15979 for one time use hygienic standard. GB/T 16886 for In-vitro Cytotoxic, Skin Irritation /Sensitization (ISO 10993)
  • Surgical Mask ( YY/0469 )
    This mask standard is a bit mood because it is BFE > 95% and PFE ( Particle Filtration Efficiency ) > 30% only. Which doesn't match another standard in the US or Europe. But it does include the fluid-resistant test and the flammable test.
  • Protective Face Mask (GB2626–2006, GB19083–2010)
    These two standard could be confusing but their filterability is basically the same. The only difference is the fluid resistance test with GB19083. In the US NIOSH standard it should be called Surgical, and the Europian standard is Type R. Chinese has 3 levels from PFE KN95 > 95%, KN99 > 98% KN100> 99%. So KN95 is basically the same as N95, N99 similar to KN99 and N100 similar to KN100. Europian FFP1 starting with > 80% FFP2 > 94% and FFP3 >99% .
  • ASTM F2100 Level 1 2 3 (USA Standard)
    China only has Surgical Mask which is only 30% PFE and F2100 Level 1 is 95%, Level 2 is 98% and Level 3 is the same with hight fluid resistance. So you are highly unlikely to find ASTM 2 or 3 in the China market unless they are US-specific factory.
  • EN14683 and EN149
    Europian Standard use their sharp to different the two standards so EN14683 is basically the Medical Mask with no PFE filter just like China YY/T0969 . has Type I, II, III and representing 95%, 98, 99% BFE. And EN149 is the cup sharp respirator with PFE over 80%, 94% and 99%.
  • Surgical and Non-Surgical
    The Europian standard surgical fluid-resistant represented by Type R at the end. For example, EN149 FFP2 Type IIR is basically the same as Surgical N95 and GB19083–2010 Level 1.
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Quote from Mike_R :
I wanted sources so here they are. Skip to the bottom for a summary.

NIOSH (occupation health) wanted to see if NIOSH approved N95 respirators were splash resistant, even though NIOSH N95 approval doesn't require liquid resistance but for medical use, the FDA does require splash resistance for small amounts of liquid (about 2ml).
So NIOSH/CDC did a study which is summarized here:
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/Researc...-Resistant [cdc.gov]

And available here:
https://www.ajicjournal.org/artic...5/abstract [ajicjournal.org]


They tested by using ASTM F1862 / F1862M, which uses synthetic blood (which is thicker than water) splashing rather than filling the mask with water.
"Medical face masks are intended to resist liquid penetration from the splatter or splashing of blood, body fluids, and other potentially infectious materials."
"This test method is used to evaluate the resistance of medical face masks to penetration by the impact of a small volume (~2 mL) of a high-velocity stream of synthetic blood."


So I don't know about KN95's but N95's don't require any fluid resistance however medical mask approved by the FDA for use in at least some healthcare settings are required to resist a small amount of liquid splatter, which is more viscous than water.
https://www.astm.org/Standards/F1862.htm
Yes, one important difference between surgical and non-surgical masks is resistance to fluid penetration. Those non-surgical N95 or KN95 are not required for such test. I recalled that MIT lab conducted this test toward Powecom mask and result was pass w/ partial penetration. Not ideal compared to surgical N95/KN95, but a Pass is still a Pass.
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Perhaps we should file a report with the FDA to get them taken off the EUA list...

Edit: Report filed. I suggest others do the same if yours fail as well.
Wow... These stupid water tests don't mean anything.

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Any "testing" in your kitchen will not equal NIOSH lab testing. Water, smoke, visual inspection of layers, etc. is just so much crapola.
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Quote from MaroonMaid297 :
GUYS. You have to stop spreading misinformation about masks. There is no such thing as a water test and FDA certified is not an applicable designation either. You FDA approved for medical devices and FDA authorized, which is a designation created when the FDA releases and emergency authorization. The Powecom KN95's have been tested by the CDC/NIOSH/FDA and because of how they tested are included in that emergency authorization.
THIS. Very much this. However, I would not buy a Powecom ear loop mask unless for 1-day use. Ear loops defeat the purpose of being airtight and providing proper fitting.
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Quote from PossumLodge :
THIS. Very much this. However, I would not buy a Powecom ear loop mask unless for 1-day use. Ear loops defeat the purpose of being airtight and providing proper fitting.

All single use face mask including N95 is suppose to be 1-day/1 time use. :-)

For N95, KN95, good quality 3-ply surgical mask, etc, they use meltblown fibers to filter small virus particles.

The meltblown fibers used in one-time use face mask are electrically charged to fill voids. Harmful particles/virus/etc that is too small to block are then electrostatically captured in the meltblown layers.

Everytime you use it, it will capture those particles/virus and it will slowly losing those electrostatically capture capability. So after probably 8-12 hours of use (depend on how dusty the area), should throw those one time use face mask away since it no longer able to capture those small particles/virus electrostatically. And that's also the reason you can't wash one time use face mask since the meltblown layer may be damaged from cleaning and particles may pass through.

Even if you don't wear it and leave it around, it will capture the dust/particles around it. That's why people said if you want to store it, need to store it in air tight container. Otherwise the N95 mask may still block big particles but may not be able to capture virus electrostatically anymore.

Here's the image that show what happen before and after the meltblown fiber filter dust and how small particles are electrostatically captured.


[IMG]https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jaehoon_Roh2/publication/322261178/figure/fig5/AS:777754781958144@1562442598016/Images-of-melt-brown-and-glass-fiber-media-E12-taken-before-and-after-dust-loading.png [researchgate.net]
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Quote from MozartA :
All single use face mask including N95 is suppose to be 1-day/1 time use. :-)
I realize that, and know the science, but that is in a medical setting rife with megaviruses flying around. Even there, medical personnel are being forced to reuse them due to Trump's inaction on providing them.

For periodic public use while shopping and avoiding The Great Unmasked Hordes, extended use is perfectly fine (within reason).
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THIS. Very much this. However, I would not buy a Powecom ear loop mask unless for 1-day use. Ear loops defeat the purpose of being airtight and providing proper fitting.
I bought the ear loop ones for now, and have already pre ordered the headband style. Can't wait for those to come in .

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