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I am working with a mortgage company to refinance, On the Loan Estimate, I see that I am allowed to shop for title companies. I just thought to create a new thread to initial this subject. Does anyone know which title company has the lowest fees for refinance? I am in California.

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07-14-2020 at 09:07 AM.
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I am working with a mortgage company to refinance, On the Loan Estimate, I see that I am allowed to shop for title companies. I just thought to create a new thread to initial this subject. Does anyone know which title company has the lowest fees for refinance? I am in California.

Thanks.
Checkout the top post in this thread:
https://slickdeals.net/f/14173061-07-04-2020-best-mortgage-rates-from-big-reputable-lenders-and-sd-reviews-30year-2-75-15year-2-25-etc?v=1

Title Company Comparisions:
  1. RadianTitleDirect.com - OP has used them for almost a decade with getting best rates (closed after Covid, Lender must submit order as consumer side is closed).
  2. ALTTitle.com
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07-30-2020 at 11:31 PM.
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Quote from bfhu View quoted comment :
I am working with a mortgage company to refinance, On the Loan Estimate, I see that I am allowed to shop for title companies. I just thought to create a new thread to initial this subject. Does anyone know which title company has the lowest fees for refinance? I am in California.

Thanks.

I'm really impressed with https://www.boxhomeloans.com/

I love getting their daily rates.. Right now though you can not do a loan with them due to being overwhelmed. However, if you still want to see how there rates are, even if your doing a refi, choose initial instead and they will give there realistic numbers, meaning Interest rate, APR, All closing costs if you click a little bit more and give yearly: property tax, insurance, etc.
No personnel information for them to bother you. I dont know of another mortgage lender that does that. If anyone else does please drop the site my way. By personnel information I mean phone number / address in turn getting called 3 minutes later like a car salesman. Which drive me personally nuts! Anyone else?

Hope this helps someone I found out about them through some guy on youtube who said he shared the company out with friends and family and figured what the hell and made a youtube video. I'm not going that far. lol (video and all)

I keep a very open mind please and I have not done the refi yet, but I been dissecting the whole process so much.. Alright just passing the information. Go ahead try them out. I swear I dont work for them. I'm a DOD government employee till I retire. I should point out for VA LOANS i'm impressed not sure about other loans charges/rates... looks similar..

Have a nice day all. BTW I'm an IT guy.
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07-31-2020 at 09:05 AM.
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I'm really impressed with https://www.boxhomeloans.com/

I love getting their daily rates.. Right now though you can not do a loan with them due to being overwhelmed. However, if you still want to see how there rates are, even if your doing a refi, choose initial instead and they will give there realistic numbers, meaning Interest rate, APR, All closing costs if you click a little bit more and give yearly: property tax, insurance, etc.
No personnel information for them to bother you. I dont know of another mortgage lender that does that. If anyone else does please drop the site my way. By personnel information I mean phone number / address in turn getting called 3 minutes later like a car salesman. Which drive me personally nuts! Anyone else?

Hope this helps someone I found out about them through some guy on youtube who said he shared the company out with friends and family and figured what the hell and made a youtube video. I'm not going that far. lol (video and all)

I keep a very open mind please and I have not done the refi yet, but I been dissecting the whole process so much.. Alright just passing the information. Go ahead try them out. I swear I dont work for them. I'm a DOD government employee till I retire. I should point out for VA LOANS i'm impressed not sure about other loans charges/rates... looks similar..

Have a nice day all. BTW I'm an IT guy.
I know the following definitely does. Loan officer told me the title cost might not be correct if you are in a state with high title cost (i.e. NJ).

1. https://closeyourownloan.com/Default.aspx

On the upper right, there is 2 drop down boxes to start the rate quote. That will redirect you to a page on the left to fill in basic information. Then on the right you will see the rate, closing cost, and buydown options.
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07-31-2020 at 09:19 AM.
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I know the following definitely does. Loan officer told me the title cost might not be correct if you are in a state with high title cost (i.e. NJ).

1. https://closeyourownloan.com/Default.aspx

On the upper right, there is 2 drop down boxes to start the rate quote. That will redirect you to a page on the left to fill in basic information. Then on the right you will see the rate, closing cost, and buydown options.

I'm getting a worse deal with closeyourloan.com. Escrow and all other fees and credits for my san diego California home is $3388 at apr 3.25%!!

Close your loan is asking for what your current rate is which typically all greedy loan officers want to know. No offense...
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07-31-2020 at 09:25 AM.
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I'm getting a worse deal with closeyourloan.com. Escrow and all other fees and credits for my san diego California home is $3388 at apr 3.25%!!

Close your loan is asking for what your current rate is which typically all greedy loan officers want to know. No offense...
Yeah it's a pain. Most of these lenders you have to show competing LE's to get the best rate. Unfortunately it's part of the process.

If you look at the other thread, we posted a WIKI that a lot of SD's are using (better.com <-- they give terrible rates up front but if they match, then you come out ahead. LoanCabin has been giving great LE. LenderFi supposedly is good as well but have also stopped applications due to too much demand, etc.)

https://slickdeals.net/f/14173061-07-21-2020-best-mortgage-rates-from-big-reputable-lenders-and-sd-r...

However if you are in CA, I think there are specific companies in the WIKI that service only CA. You might have better luck with them.
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08-06-2020 at 08:41 PM.
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Yeah it's a pain. Most of these lenders you have to show competing LE's to get the best rate. Unfortunately it's part of the process.

If you look at the other thread, we posted a WIKI that a lot of SD's are using (better.com
MeAPhool,

Thank you for the link and those two sites. I almost thought boxhomeloans were the winner...
Seems LoanCabin is pretty good too and without giving personal info.
Maybe some day soon LenderFi will open up too so I can see there's. Smilie
Take it easy.

Addon: just found www.loancabin.com to have pretty cool rates without giving details. On another post I was also told www.lenderfi.com is good, however, like box home loans they are still down till they are caught up. Curious about them, guess I'll keep a checking.


Ahh what the hell, here is what I am getting from boxhomeloans as they really break it down for a CA house valued at $630K home but a $308500 loan:
2.25%

Lender Credit $1323 which cover all below except the evil taxes, insurance and interest one basically.

3rd party fees below Total $1208
Credit report $34
Title - Closing Coordination $595
Title endorsements $25
Title - Lender's Title Insurance $550

Government's cut aka Recording Fee $115

TAXES, INSURANCE and INTEREST $4845.51
Interest on new loan (30 days @ $19.02/day) $570.51
County Property Tax (9 months @ $500/month) $4500 <-hate California
Homeowner's Insurance (5 months @ $75/month)
Aggregate Adjustment Credit it seems $600
60 day lock

I had to type that all out as they block it from being copied. I pray someone gets some knowledge out of this. Apparently I just did as I only skimmed it before.

They also put a summary on the bottom I never knew about:
Based on the rate of 2.250 % (APR of 2.264 %), as of 8/6/2020 6:38:57 PM, a real estate transaction with an appraised value of $630,000.00, equity of 51.03 %, and loan amount of $308,500.00 would have 360 monthly principal and interest payments at $1,179.23

My current P&I is $1,619.56 yes I had to look at my account. lol

Difference is $440.33
Honestly I can't wait to do this, sadly wife says hold off though Frown
I will never forgive her if rates go up.
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08-06-2020 at 10:03 PM.
08-06-2020 at 10:03 PM.
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MeAPhool,

Thank you for the link and those two sites. I almost thought boxhomeloans were the winner...
Seems LoanCabin is pretty good too and without giving personal info.
Maybe some day soon LenderFi will open up too so I can see there's. Smilie
Take it easy.

Addon: just found www.loancabin.com to have pretty cool rates without giving details. On another post I was also told www.lenderfi.com is good, however, like box home loans they are still down till they are caught up. Curious about them, guess I'll keep a checking.


Ahh what the hell, here is what I am getting from boxhomeloans as they really break it down for a CA house valued at $630K home but a $308500 loan:
2.25%

Lender Credit $1323 which cover all below except the evil taxes, insurance and interest one basically.

3rd party fees below Total $1208
Credit report $34
Title - Closing Coordination $595
Title endorsements $25
Title - Lender's Title Insurance $550

Government's cut aka Recording Fee $115

TAXES, INSURANCE and INTEREST $4845.51
Interest on new loan (30 days @ $19.02/day) $570.51
County Property Tax (9 months @ $500/month) $4500 <-hate California
Homeowner's Insurance (5 months @ $75/month)
Aggregate Adjustment Credit it seems $600
60 day lock

I had to type that all out as they block it from being copied. I pray someone gets some knowledge out of this. Apparently I just did as I only skimmed it before.

They also put a summary on the bottom I never knew about:
Based on the rate of 2.250 % (APR of 2.264 %), as of 8/6/2020 6:38:57 PM, a real estate transaction with an appraised value of $630,000.00, equity of 51.03 %, and loan amount of $308,500.00 would have 360 monthly principal and interest payments at $1,179.23

My current P&I is $1,619.56 yes I had to look at my account. lol

Difference is $440.33
Honestly I can't wait to do this, sadly wife says hold off though Frown
I will never forgive her if rates go up.

Happy wife happy life. However in this case, the above number's you posted from BoxHomeLoans look like a "no-cost" refinance since it appears A+B+C + E ($-1323) are covered by lender credit (+$1323). I'm not sure because you didn't post anything about A+B, only C and E.

I assume you understand the Loan Estimate sections, but if not, this is a great resource: https://www.consumerfinance.gov/o...-estimate/


F+G is your own money and not a cost. This is what you need to explain to your wife.

You have to pay interest on your current mortgage. Prepaid interest is what you owe to the new mortgage after you refi. That would be cheaper than the amount of interest you are currently paying on your existing mortgage (with higher interest rate). In other words prepaid interest should never stop you from refinancing since you are saving by paying less interest.

Escrow. Do you plan to waive escrow? If yes, then escrow doesn't matter. If no, then escrow is just your money being held by the company servicing your loan. Ultimately it's still your money and it's paying property tax and homeowner's insurance which you have to anyway. The only pain-point is that you have to front that money initially but you will get it back from your current lender since they will have an overage.

At the end of the day, if lender credit covers A+B+C & E, then you have a "no-cost" loan.
If lender credit is enough to cover some prepaid interest and/or escrows, then technically you are "making money" on your refinance.


My thoughts are to always refinance if I have no-cost and definitely refinance if I "make money". There's no reason not to unless you are choosing to escrow and do not have enough funds to front the new escrow while waiting for the credit from the old escrow.

If you miss and rates go up, you'll be kicking yourself. If you refinance now at no-cost and rates go down, you can just refinance again w/o any worry since you did not spend a dime to refinance.

That's my 2 cents. Ultimately talk to your wife/family, friends, advisors and make the decision that is best for your situation. Good luck! I'm still in the middle of my refinance but pretty ecstatic. I am going from 30-year 3.75 to 30-year 2.5 and "making money" as I will get enough credit to cover some of my prepaid interest ( chose not to escrow, I hate having to escrow).

If rates dip to 2% or lower, I'll just refi again.
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Thank you yet again. Link is great.
I don't have an official loan estimate though.. So I don't see A, B, C & E.

Why you hate escrow? I think it's scary that I need a mass amount of money every 6 months. For me that's 3k..
I ecclesiastical don't want my wife to think we have extra money to spend, so i even do biweekly payment to the mortgage (wink), besides being a good idea anyway...

Hard to imagine it going much lower
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Thank you yet again. Link is great.
I don't have an official loan estimate though.. So I don't see A, B, C & E.

Why you hate escrow? I think it's scary that I need a mass amount of money every 6 months. For me that's 3k..
I ecclesiastical don't want my wife to think we have extra money to spend, so i even do biweekly payment to the mortgage (wink), besides being a good idea anyway...

Hard to imagine it going much lower
I know "ecclesiastical" must have been an auto-correct some how of "especially".
I had to look that word up and listen to the pronunciation Smilie

Escrow is not bad for people who want to set and forget, however I prefer to pay my property tax and homeowner's on my own. These are the 2 main reasons:
  1. They will hold more money then is actually required to pay your homeowner's insurance/property tax. Understandably they need to make sure they have enough to cover the payments. I can do something else with that money, save/invest, while the payments are not yet due. Escrow company does not even provide me one penny of interest while holding my money for months when it is not due.
  2. There have been tons of horror stories where the mortgage service provider did not pay the property tax or paid it late. I don't want to deal with that aftermath (calling escrow, county and potentially credit bureaus having to deal with hit to credit score due to late or missed payments).

Good luck! You seem like you are asking all the right questions and doing the right research. I am sure you will get a great deal!
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08-07-2020 at 08:16 PM.
08-07-2020 at 08:16 PM.
Back to the topic of title insurance companies, any other good ones other than radiant (only taking existing lender clients) and alttitle ?

IMO, title insurance seems to be the biggest scam/moneymaker in the mortgage industry.
Why can't they just change the lender name on the existing title ins in a refinance ?
Also, I am not sure what protection they really provide in these days of automation.

Basically it is just a software program/search they run and keep collecting exorbitant amounts
of money on every purchase/refinance just because they are in cahoots with the realtors and politicians.
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