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Sager NP7958F1 (CLEVO NH58AF1) with IPS 1080p@144Hz, nVidia RTX 2070 8GB, AMD Ryzen 7 3700X, 16GB DDR4-3200, 500GB PCIe NVMe SSD, +FS $1473.47

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GentechPC summer deals continue to provide custom thermal paste and thermal pad application and now a dead pixel warranty for (almost) free. I have been lurking for an RTX 2070 laptop for months now and I have not seen anything that really compares for desktop replacement purposes.

https://www.gentechpc.com/Product...NP7958F1-B

Make the following modifications to the standard configuration (base specs below):

2020 Summer Sale : 1
Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut on CPU/ Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut GPU +$.01 [Add $0.01]
2020 Summer Sale : 2
Free 30 Day No Dead Pixel Warranty +$.01 [Add $0.01]
2020 Summer Sale : 4
Fujipoly Ultra Extreme Thermal Pads on necessary area for optimal cooling performance +$.01 [Add $0.01]
Logo Modification
None, Remove Sager Logo on the back + $.01 [Add $0.01]
CPU
AMD Ryzen 7 3700X, 3.6~4.4 GHz 8 cores 16 threads, 7nm, 32MB 65W +$200 [Add $200.00]

Price as configured: $1,519.04
CASH coupon code (3%): -$45.57
Pre-tax total: $1,473.47

Assembler is based in Covina, CA, so figure your tax situation from there. (In Orange County this was $114.21 tax for a grand total of $1,587.68 for me.)


Original Item Specs:
Sager NP7958F1 (CLEVO NH58AF1) 144Hz, nVidia RTX 2070 8GB, AMD Ryzen 5 3600
Manufacturer Stock Configuration :
15.6" 1920x1080 @144Hz IPS-level, Matt [sic] finish
AMD Ryzen 5 3600 6 cores 12 threads, 7nm 65W
nVidia RTX 2070 8GB GDDR6
16GB DDR4 3200MHz PC24000
500GB PCIe NVMe SSD
Intel WiFi 6 AX200 + Bluetooth 5.0
USB 3.2 Gen2 Type-C
14.21" (w) x 10.16" (d) x 1.28" (h)
5.951lbs
OS- Optional

MSRP: $1319.00
Cash Price (3% off): $1,279.43

This ships with no OS; I suggest grabbing a grey market Windows 10 Pro key from cdkeys or some such and dealing with it yourself, as it will be cheaper than factory installation and eliminates the possibility of bloat- (or ad-) ware.
RAM is 1x16GB configuration by default, so you should also grab another 16GB SODIMM somewhere for dual channel goodness -- again this is cheaper to do yourself than to have them add it, but I'm not your dad so do whatever you want.

Q: Battery life is going to be abysmal, what is wrong with you?
A: Nothing, I said desktop replacement. Did you really think a 5.9lb laptop with a desktop processor and an RTX2070 was going to be a magical unicorn gaming ultrabook?

Q: But Zuuuuuuuryn, this is only an old, stinky Ryzen 7 3700X, this will be an obvious CPU bottleneck reeeeeeee
A: That's not technically a question, but for the sake of argument let's make a couple of fairly reasonable assumptions and see what Userbenchmark has to say. For this, we'll step back to the previous FP deal for a 2070 laptop back in March (that Acer Predator Helios 300):

Userbenchmark PC Build Comparison [userbenchmark.com]
Baseline Bench: Game 81%, Desk 92%, Work 82%
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X [userbenchmark.com] $280
GPU: Nvidia RTX 2070 (Mobile) [userbenchmark.com]
SSD: WD Blue SN500 NVMe PCIe M.2 500GB [userbenchmark.com] $72
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws V DDR4 3200 C16 2x8GB [userbenchmark.com] $60

Alternative Bench: Game 76%, Desk 88%, Work 67%
CPU: Intel Core i7-9750H [userbenchmark.com]
GPU: Nvidia RTX 2070 (Mobile) [userbenchmark.com]
SSD: WD Blue SN500 NVMe PCIe M.2 500GB [userbenchmark.com] $72
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 2666 C16 2x16GB [userbenchmark.com] $123

NB: Originally found this via XoticPC (configuration here [xoticpc.com]), but they came in at $1564 before coupon and Gentech is local to me. XoticPC is in Lincoln, NE, so that may have advantageous tax circumstances for you.
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Userbench is trash
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Userbench is trash
Fully agree, but the ryzen 3700x is a good cpu. This gaming laptop isn't too heavy or big considering specs. Only thing that sticks out is the 1.28" height which is bad but not horrible
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Userbench is trash

100% accurate, unfortunately due to the heavy market preference for tier 1 vendors and laptops with light weight, small dimensions, and high battery life, it's nearly impossible to find comparative reviews for a desktop replacement laptop, particularly AMD-based and in a OEM chassis for desktop processors like the NH58AF1.

There are a handful of reviews and user remarks (e.g. http://forum.notebookreview.com/t...ed.833519/ ), but I'd certainly welcome any relevant analysis of the actual performance.

Ultimately, the big problem with current era gaming laptops is thermals, due to
  • half-assed thermal paste application (many are solved by voiding your warranty and applying your own thermal paste), and
  • poor ventilation, often due to demand for thin laptops.

From a practical standpoint, this presents a solution to these without cracking it open.
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100% accurate, unfortunately due to the heavy market preference for tier 1 vendors and laptops with light weight, small dimensions, and high battery life, it's nearly impossible to find comparative reviews for a desktop replacement laptop, particularly AMD-based and in a OEM chassis for desktop processors like the NH58AF1.

There are a handful of reviews and user remarks (e.g. http://forum.notebookreview.com/t...ed.833519/ ), but I'd certainly welcome any relevant analysis of the actual performance.

Ultimately, the big problem with current era gaming laptops is thermals, due to
  • half-assed thermal paste application (many are solved by voiding your warranty and applying your own thermal paste), and
  • poor ventilation, often due to demand for thin laptops.

From a practical standpoint, this presents a solution to these without cracking it open.
Personally I think the GL65 from Amazon at $1399 if you can find it is a better deal. For reference here is my benchmark on (note I agree it's trash, but useful for relativity sake). It's not available right now, but it does pop back up occasionally and for that price i think it beats the Sager.

https://www.userbenchmark.com/Use...y62rPvq4JQ

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product...SZbmGi6LnE
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Personally I think the GL65 from Amazon at $1399 if you can find it is a better deal. For reference here is my benchmark on (note I agree it's trash, but useful for relativity sake). It's not available right now, but it does pop back up occasionally and for that price i think it beats the Sager.

https://www.userbenchmark.com/Use...y62rPvq4JQ

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product...SZbmGi6LnE
That's a fair assessment -- I think a lot of this comes down to use case and personal preference. I'm legitimately curious and will be happy to share benchmarks when the machine comes in.

It's worth noting that so far the only thing that has me questioning this right now is this deal from yesterday morning:
https://slickdeals.net/f/14261207-hp-omen-gaming-15-6-4k-uhd-amoled-laptop-intel-core-i7-10750h-16gb-ddr4-rtx-2070-1tb-ssd-thunderbolt-3-1499-99-w-student-discount-best-buy

My thought is that the 2070 Super/Max-Q vs the straight 2070 mobile is probably a push, the desktop processor will have a clear edge on an i7-10750, but I'm jealous of the screen. The tradeoff there is whether or not you luck out on proper assembly or do you have a warranty-voiding event where you reapply your own thermal paste some time down the road.
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That's a fair assessment -- I think a lot of this comes down to use case and personal preference. I'm legitimately curious and will be happy to share benchmarks when the machine comes in.

It's worth noting that so far the only thing that has me questioning this right now is this deal from yesterday morning:
https://slickdeals.net/f/14261207-hp-omen-gaming-15-6-4k-uhd-amoled-laptop-intel-core-i7-10750h-16gb-ddr4-rtx-2070-1tb-ssd-thunderbolt-3-1499-99-w-student-discount-best-buy

My thought is that the 2070 Super/Max-Q vs the straight 2070 mobile is probably a push, the desktop processor will have a clear edge on an i7-10750, but I'm jealous of the screen. The tradeoff there is whether or not you luck out on proper assembly or do you have a warranty-voiding event where you reapply your own thermal paste some time down the road.
Man that is a nice screen and tempting. I would assume you wouldn't void warranty as you have to open the case anyways to install RAM or an extra HDD. Might as well re-paste as well. I did the same to the MSI when I installed an extra SSD. I never ran thermals before pasting though since it was the first thing I did. Also the 10750 runs HOT! I undervolt mine with throttle stop and prevents thermal throttling.
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Apologies if this is a dumb question. But does this laptop can be upgraded to the better ryzen am4 socket desktop processors?
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That's a fair assessment -- I think a lot of this comes down to use case and personal preference. I'm legitimately curious and will be happy to share benchmarks when the machine comes in.

It's worth noting that so far the only thing that has me questioning this right now is this deal from yesterday morning:
https://slickdeals.net/f/14261207-hp-omen-gaming-15-6-4k-uhd-amoled-laptop-intel-core-i7-10750h-16gb-ddr4-rtx-2070-1tb-ssd-thunderbolt-3-1499-99-w-student-discount-best-buy

My thought is that the 2070 Super/Max-Q vs the straight 2070 mobile is probably a push, the desktop processor will have a clear edge on an i7-10750, but I'm jealous of the screen. The tradeoff there is whether or not you luck out on proper assembly or do you have a warranty-voiding event where you reapply your own thermal paste some time down the road.
In the US, repasting is a maintenance task as long as it is oem quality replacement (non conductive). That being said, if you damage something in the process, then that's on you. Check the vendor's policy. Here's HP:
(Warrant Void)
by modification or service by anyone other than
(i) HP, (ii) an HP authorized service provider, or
(iii) your own installation of end-user-replaceable
HP or HP-approved parts if available for your
product in the servicing country/region.
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