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expiredLawdog posted Oct 25, 2020 04:30 PM
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expiredLawdog posted Oct 25, 2020 04:30 PM
Denon AVR-X3600H 9.2-Channel Home theater Receiver
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Multi-channel receivers all have a lot of configuration options and these two are no exception. People who are familiar with Denon settings will likely find the 3600H easier to set up. No info on the Yamaha since it is all new.
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It's just a mess of cables everywhere and one more awful remote to deal with.
go be poor somewhere else....
I will speak to Dolby Atmos/DTS:X. Certain movies don't lend themselves well so hearing a massive difference because it is a ton of dialogue or not much happening off to the sides. I believe a read Joker had almost nothing, but fronts/center (wasn't super interested in this so I watched on my PC while doing something else). Some Atmos mixes though are top notch. Just remember that these standards include height channels, but it is object-based audio where a lot of movies seem to be doing things. A ball moving from right to left in front of you will be cool, but not as in your face as a plane flying overhead.
In my experiences with my Atmos/DTS:X collection, I have actually been more impressed with DTS:X, particularly in remasters. The original Jurassic Park trilogy are insane. Same with The Incredible Hulk - actually enjoy this movie now in 4k/DTS:X over my old DVD. I will say a number of my Atmos mixes are proper MCU movies and Disney is known for pretty meh sound mixes.
So ultimately, if you are on the fence, my feeling is buy the receiver with the most channels you can afford that has Atmos/DTS:X. Dolby does suggest 4 overheads, for what it is worth, granted they are doing all sorts of weird stuff now. Unless you already have a big set up, this will be a more noticeable upgrade than which model within each 7, 9, or 11 channel receiver range you get (so 7.2 / 5.1.2 itself will be a bigger upgrade than the difference between cheapest and most expensive 7.2 receivers for most people).
Object Based codecs/soundtracks is a good example.
Most people read object based soundtracks (Atmos/X) and they automatically think better.
People don't realize there are different quality levels of it.
As a matter fact most people haven't even heard a proper setup.
A proper setup is not easy to accomplish in a average home, why Dolby got away from calling it reference layout and came out with all these alternatives.
One reason why these alternatives do so well, people don't really have a good reference point.
Expectations is important, if all you're expecting is sound from that speaker, all these "Atmos" setups will give you that.
To get proper "immersion" those "alternatives" just don't accomplish it well.
In my experience i would suggest to people on a budget to overlook "Atmos " and concentrate on getting a good/better 5.1.
IMO "Atmos" is only worth upgrading to if done properly and you have to have a good 5.1 1st anyways.
You do bring up an important point, the transfer of a movie plays a significant role on the quality the object based soundtracks will be.
My opinion differs, I haven't found an "x" movie I would consider great/reference.
IMO "X" tend to run "hot", as far as creating quality immersion not so much.
I disagree when people say something like "there is not much there" on whether it's good or not.
I'll give you a good example, A Quiet Place.
The immersion is top notch in that movie without you hearing much.
A budget setup can't really create/perform that very well.
Sound is a unique animal and as much as people try tell others how something will "sound ", in the end it's just not possible no matter who it is.
Currently, my living arrangements mean that I I have to restrict the volume but with my XT amp, I can still get a pretty good sound without making the neighbors angry.
Uncalibrated vs calibrated is no contest; however, I can't speak to professional calibration.
Audyssey XT used to have an advantage over others in that it would properly handle the curves on the subwoofer, but I've heard that YPAO and others have made improvements. I know that XT32 does a much better job with the higher frequencies compared to XT, to the point you might want to zero-out the volume adjustments above a certain threshold (can't remember what it is at the moment).
If I you are prepared to spend $600 on a receiver, the extra $200 for XT32 is definitely worth it in the long run.
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Send your XBS|S/X, PC, PS4 HDMI 2.1 directly to your TV. Use your TV's eARC back to the new receiver.
Personally this year I'm sticking with my Pioneer VSX-LX303 5.2.4 configuration & my Onkyo NR-676 5.2.2 configuration. If there's early adopters reporting faulty firmware/hardware with the HDMI 2.1 output I'ld rather opt out until there's a larger library of games I'ld actually play using the higher refresh rates, until TVs, Monitors have more competition and
This isn't the early 2000s... for a proper home theatre - great... this is the type of gear you need. For your family living room... stick with a simple solution.
Go stay in the early 2000s somewhere else.
nothing wrong with sonos, but it no where near the quality of a nice 5.1 or 7.1 or Atmos system with separates.
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I have a Denon x2200w. I like it. I installed some atmos elevation speakers (I know, not as good as the real thing, but I don't have the option to install in-ceiling) and have 5.1.2 going. I am hoping to upgrade my Samsung TV (low to mid range and a few years old) to OLED soon, or at least considering it. This amp is three years newer and a level above the 2x00 series. I would imagine I could sell the x2200w as well and recoup a decent amount, as it's an excellent machine. So I'm wondering, is it worth the jump, or is it silly to get a new receiver that isn't future proof according to HDMI/4K/8K standards?
Thanks for any advice!
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