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Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis (Kindle eBook)
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I'm in.
Harry Potter doesn't have thousands of years of forced conversions, nor tell people to believe on faith or burn in hell forever and backed by a couple billion people that are still afraid of hell.
I'm in my 60's. The older I get the more comfortable I am at facing death and nothingness
There is no empirical evidence for any god. I see you did not support your comment with anything other than weak words. Your comment is an outright lie and an attempt to insult atheists which don't believe simply because there is no evidence. Evidence is the strongest factor to support any claim, including god claims. come back and try again when you get some, you won't.
No empirical evidence- glad to see you've walked back on your claim that there's no evidence, but I doubt you even noticed. To say that there's no empirical evidence is not to say there's no evidence, but you probably meant them to be the same. Lesson one: empirical is not the only kind of evidence.
I did not support my comment with evidence- you also didn't support your claim with evidence, so my burden of proof is no greater than yours. What you MEANT to say originally was that you've seen no evidence of a god, not that there is none- it's logically impossible to prove that there is no god or to assert that there is no evidence for one. It's crazy that I can have your side of the argument better than you can. Why are you even involved?
To say that my comment about your argument is a lie is to say that I don't myself believe it, which is something you don't believe, so it turns out that by accusing me of lying, you yourself have lied.
I made no attempt to insult atheists- it was directed at you, so you can't hide in a crowd of like minded people and pretend that I addressed them.
As soon as you admit that your 'retort' was horrible for ALL of the reasons above, then I'll show you why you yourself believe in a god and don't even know it. Not until then though. You made a claim, and I'll move on once you've admitted that it's meritless.
Great thign about this book is that the author himself was in your shoes. He had but one response to religion is apathy. He actually doesn't prove anything, its just a thought process that you have to go along should you choose to and come out with your conclusions after honest intellectual assessment on the merits of his arguments.
Edit: This was in response to @waitman's response, not sure what happened, thought I clicked on reply before I typed it. sorry.
No clue about this book as I haven't read it, but his views in other books could at best be considered antiquated.
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Thx op, tu and repped.
Great thign about this book is that the author himself was in your shoes. He had but one response to religion is apathy. He actually doesn't prove anything, its just a thought process that you have to go along should you choose to and come out with your conclusions after honest intellectual assessment on the merits of his arguments.
Edit: This was in response to @waitman's response, not sure what happened, thought I clicked on reply before I typed it. sorry
Also your love example is wrong for it can be measured. Its a chemical response in the brain and verified by observable behaviors. Indeed, everything that we have observed in our universe is subject to testing. The god of the gaps that operates in this metaphysical universe shrinks by the day.
Furthermore, Atheism requires no faith as it is merely the absence of a belief. It requires no more belief then a person who doesn't play tennis requires the ability to play tennis. Atheists by definition do not seek to disprove anything, but people who are atheists may do so. However, if this atheist asserts a god does not exist they carry the burden to prove that claim. No different than a theist.
Lastly a book filled with Lewis' personal apologetics and anecdotes is not convincing as there are literally thousands of books with apologetics for other religions.
No empirical evidence- glad to see you've walked back on your claim that there's no evidence, but I doubt you even noticed. To say that there's no empirical evidence is not to say there's no evidence, but you probably meant them to be the same. Lesson one: empirical is not the only kind of evidence.
I did not support my comment with evidence- you also didn't support your claim with evidence, so my burden of proof is no greater than yours. What you MEANT to say originally was that you've seen no evidence of a god, not that there is none- it's logically impossible to prove that there is no god or to assert that there is no evidence for one. It's crazy that I can have your side of the argument better than you can. Why are you even involved?
To say that my comment about your argument is a lie is to say that I don't myself believe it, which is something you don't believe, so it turns out that by accusing me of lying, you yourself have lied.
I made no attempt to insult atheists- it was directed at you, so you can't hide in a crowd of like minded people and pretend that I addressed them.
As soon as you admit that your 'retort' was horrible for ALL of the reasons above, then I'll show you why you yourself believe in a god and don't even know it. Not until then though. You made a claim, and I'll move on once you've admitted that it's meritless.
However, I have seen the evidence proffered by C.S. Lewis and other apologists and it has not overcome my natural disbelief. I therefore do not believe in the god purported by C.S. Lewis, or any other god. I do not claim that god or gods do not exist and stand ready to be convinced.
Now please tell me, no as you say, "show me", why you think I am wrong?
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For my literature class in college, I took a class on Tolkien and Lewis. So much great material by both of them. Besides this, and the Chronicles of Narnia, I really got into The Great Divorce and The Screwtape Letters by Lewis.