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Apr 20, 2021 9:16 PM

4TB Toshiba Canvio USB 3.0 Portable External Hard Drive

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Apr 28, 2021 2:34 PM
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yoFuApr 28, 2021 2:34 PM
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Beware, any external spinning HDD like this that is 2.5inch in size will be slow. The USB3 interface won't matter.
Fast external drives exist, those have:
  • SSD or
  • 3.5inch HDDs
  • with direct external power.
An SSD can be powered over the USB port and will be fast.
Any spinning disk powered only by the USB port(s) will be really slow.
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Apr 28, 2021 4:27 PM
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burner1515Apr 28, 2021 4:27 PM
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Quote from basset53 View quoted comment :
Great point on the USB Thumb Drives. I did not know that they needed to be "recharged"

How about all the drives we pop in our cell phones? I guess they will also lose their charge if left in our desk too long?
Yes everything using NAND flash should need to be plugged in at least every few years to avoid losing data from complete charge depletion.

I have trouble finding anyone giving an exact number, but most places basically say the question is a moot point when you follow best practices for backing up data. If you have old flash drives laying around because you upgraded to newer models, the important data on them should already be backed up.

I searched a few different phrases and came up with this stating 10 years.

https://integralmemory.com/faq/ho...onditions.
Apr 28, 2021 5:54 PM
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GuyForgetApr 28, 2021 5:54 PM
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In for two, thanks! For some reason I can't have enough of these externals lately. Maybe I'm too paranoid about losing data.
Apr 28, 2021 8:50 PM
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PowerfulCrib7929Apr 28, 2021 8:50 PM
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You can get a 5tb version of this drive for $99 on amazon. Worth it imo but not everyone will use the same calculus.
Apr 28, 2021 9:35 PM
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polymorphicdealApr 28, 2021 9:35 PM
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Quote from CalmSpaniel557 View quoted comment :
Best buy had an 8tb for $129. Much better deal.
Not if you only need to store less than 4TB.
Apr 29, 2021 12:59 PM
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joebob2000Apr 29, 2021 12:59 PM
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Quote from burner1515 View quoted comment :
Yes everything using NAND flash should need to be plugged in at least every few years to avoid losing data from complete charge depletion.

I have trouble finding anyone giving an exact number, but most places basically say the question is a moot point when you follow best practices for backing up data. If you have old flash drives laying around because you upgraded to newer models, the important data on them should already be backed up.

I searched a few different phrases and came up with this stating 10 years.

https://integralmemory.com/faq/ho...onditions. [integralmemory.com]
That link specifically states that you dont just "plug it in to recharge," you need to completely read and then re-write all the data to renew the longevity.
Apr 29, 2021 3:29 PM
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burner1515Apr 29, 2021 3:29 PM
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Quote from joebob2000 View quoted comment :
That link specifically states that you dont just "plug it in to recharge," you need to completely read and then re-write all the data to renew the longevity.
Yeah I don't think that's a good link personally. That part sounds like total BS, otherwise you would start to hear about how the oldest SSD's with unchanged data on them are randomly losing that specific data. I mean every time windows does an update and if it deletes even some data it makes headlines.

Like I said I have a hard time finding anyplace that will make a blanket statement like that. I did find this longer technical information that gave an example of up to 10 years to determine drive endurance. They barely touch on the charge portion but note the drives firmware itself should be taking care of refreshing the charge of the cells during normal operation.

https://www.ni.com/en-us/support/...orage.html

I think it's a much better rundown, but it is pretty complicated and does not specifically give a shelf life for storing data on flash for many years, unplugged, while still being accessible. I was going to include it in my last post but then I had a wall of text and removed it. They focus on the drive still performing. If you lose all your data due to lack of power that does not mean the drive itself is bad, it can very well work for a much longer time if you put data back on it, but you calculate your Drive endurance and use that to determine how many months you should expect it to still work in production.

I also found this, but it fails to address lack of power data loss and gives a blanket large range of 5-10 years. Also it was published August 28th of who knows what year lmao.

https://blog.storagecraft.com/dat...20degrade.

The bottom line is you should never lose all your data due to a flash drive completely discharging, or mechanical drive degrading into inert junk due to time, if you follow the normal best procedures for backing up. That's why it's so hard to find an exact white paper on this issue being studied completely in depth especially with actual testing being done.

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Quote from Parato Optimal View quoted comment :
I have several ExHDD's of two types. I put data on them around ten years ago, maybe a little more or a little less than ten years ago and didn't use them since then. Some are now dead and some still work.
I'll bite.. what kind of ExHDDs?
Did you have any magnets or unshielded speakers near them?
Have you ever tried to put your ExHDDs into a cereal bowl and submerge them with milk?
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Parato OptimalApr 30, 2021 5:31 PM
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Quote from Justin1983 View quoted comment :
I'll bite.. what kind of ExHDDs?
Did you have any magnets or unshielded speakers near them?
Have you ever tried to put your ExHDDs into a cereal bowl and submerge them with milk?
WD, milk boy. You shouldn't be putting milk on your HDD's.
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Quote from yoFu View quoted comment :
Beware, any external spinning HDD like this that is 2.5inch in size will be slow. The USB3 interface won't matter.
Fast external drives exist, those have:
  • SSD or
  • 3.5inch HDDs
  • with direct external power.
An SSD can be powered over the USB port and will be fast.
Any spinning disk powered only by the USB port(s) will be really slow.
"Any spinning disk powered only by the USB port(s) will be really slow"

Can you link a review or forum to backup this claim?
May 1, 2021 5:53 PM
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yoFuMay 1, 2021 5:53 PM
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Quote from 2deal View quoted comment :
"Any spinning disk powered only by the USB port(s) will be really slow"

Can you link a review or forum to backup this claim?
Testing. I've put the same physical HDD into multiple external enclosures and run fio/bonnie++ tests. I've also put them into eSATA "docks" with external power and inside computers. The eSATA and internal SATA connections were faster than the USB connections without external power. Perhaps my stuff is older and newer spinning disks are faster?

SSDs don't work this way. The 5V power has been sufficient to provide similar throughput running fio.

Test it yourself using your own hardware. Nobody else here has the same HW that you do anyway.

Of course, workload matters, as does the type of disk and controllers involved.
Last edited by yoFu May 1, 2021 at 11:26 AM.
May 1, 2021 11:27 PM
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MrStaxMay 1, 2021 11:27 PM
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In for (2) thanks for posting the deal! Hoping this hard drive holds up a lot better than my WesternDigital drives that i've gone through 3 of already :/
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May 1, 2021 11:36 PM
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Any coupons to make the deal sweeter?
May 3, 2021 4:38 PM
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dragon_dMay 3, 2021 4:38 PM
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Based on Amazon reviews, life expectancy is about 2 months...

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wildpig1234Apr 22, 2022 2:28 PM
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Quote from burner1515 View quoted comment :
No matter what you do you will want to backup your data. that should go without saying, but it must be said because it's the most important.

In my opinion long term storage (not connected to a pc) go hard drive. The data should be readable in 10-20-30 years from your fireproof safe. The medium is cheap enough compared to others you could buy two of these 4tb drives before you hit the price of a 2tb SSD. Even if you leave one connected to your pc constantly it should be fine long term if not accessed often.

SSD's are faster and more reliable for everyday use, but when they fail they typically don't give any warning. If you don't BSOD you will have errors reading and saving data then maybe a no boot media found error when restarting or things might work again for awhile until it happens again. In my experience it's very rare, but I have seen it happen and data be unrecoverable. With a hard drive you will have mechanical sounds (clicking, grinding) and greatly reduced performance speeds, but data may be accessed for awhile until it really gets too bad for any normal recovery attempt. In either case at the first time of something odd happening back up your data even if you have to buy a new drive full price same day, it's cheaper then losing everything or paying for an expensive data recovery.

Long term storage of a ssd might be a bad idea as well. Thumb drives need to be plugged in every 5-10 years or you risk losing all the data on them if they completely lose their electrical charge. I have not researched if an ssd could have the same issue, but it might. I won't personally use an SSD for long term storage because it's cost prohibitive to me, but if you go that route you should check that out. To me it makes no sense to spend like $100 a TB for something that will be barely used over 5-10+ years.
or use good quality optical BD-R.. I have cd i burned in 1994 that are still readable Wink. They are of course stored away in a dark moisture free cool closet.

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