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Did not see this publicized anywhere but a family member sent me an article. You are opted in unless you opt out. May have until June 8th to opt out. See instructions below:

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2...neighbors/

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Last Edited by MozartA June 7, 2021 at 02:17 PM
Looks like if you don't have currently enabled Amazon Sidewalk devices, you won't have the option in your Alexa setting to turn it off(?)

So later on additional device become enabled, you need to turn off Amazon Sidewalk at that time??? Meaning if Amazon suddenly enable older gen Echo (or other device currently not in the list) to act as sidewalk, then at later time, the option to turn it off will be available and someone need to remind you to turn off sidewalk???

Or in the future you buy newer echo devices, then need to remind yourself to turn off sidewalk at that time....

Quote from purpledime18 :

OK. Find this.

What Devices Are Sidewalk Enabled?

As of June 2021, the following devices can act as Amazon Sidewalk bridges:

Ring Floodlight Cam (2019)
Ring Spotlight Cam Wired (2019)
Ring Spotlight Cam Mount (2019)
Echo (3rd gen and newer)
Echo Dot (3rd gen and newer)
Echo Dot for Kids (3rd gen and newer)
Echo Dot with Clock (3rd gen and newer)
Echo Plus (all generations)
Echo Show (2nd gen)
Echo Show 5, 8, 10 (all generations)
Echo Spot
Echo Studio
Echo Input
Echo Flex


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DanH7646
06-07-2021 at 07:09 PM.
06-07-2021 at 07:09 PM.
Quote from jasongw :
Not really. Skynet is a fictional artificial intelligence that wants to kill people. Sidewalk is just a network with very little bandwidth, for connecting smart devices that don't require much data.

And wants to kill people.
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jasongw
06-07-2021 at 07:24 PM.
06-07-2021 at 07:24 PM.
Quote from DanH7646 :
And wants to kill people.

LOL. More like they want to sell us things 🤣
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jayquik03
06-07-2021 at 07:27 PM.
06-07-2021 at 07:27 PM.
I find it hard to believe that they will make it so you can't opt out after today. I think there is alot of misinformation in this thread. Were going to need more tinfoil hats.
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karaageteba
06-07-2021 at 07:29 PM.
06-07-2021 at 07:29 PM.
thanks
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dr.boyd
06-07-2021 at 07:38 PM.
06-07-2021 at 07:38 PM.
Quote from MozartA :
I assume Samsung SmartTag (which was free when buy latest Galaxy phone at launch) also has this kind of feature of communicating any Samsung mobile devices that has Bluetooth(?)

Pretty much you can check your Samsung SmartTag location as long as Samsung SmartTag is close to ANY Samsung device that has Bluetooth turn on(?).

So your Samsung phone may be keeping track of someone else SmartTag location.

Gen 1 smart tag uses Bluetooth, Gen 1.5 will use ultra wide wideband (+bt). You have to opt in to share tag locations.
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MozartA
06-07-2021 at 07:40 PM.
06-07-2021 at 07:40 PM.
Quote from dr.boyd :
Gen 1 smart tag uses Bluetooth, Gen 1.5 will use ultra wide wideband.

https://insights.samsung.com/2021...echnology/
Using the Galaxy Find Network, even if a SmartTag leaves your own smartphone's signal range, it can still use the signal from other Galaxy devices to pinpoint its location. "The Galaxy Find Network that empowers SmartThings Find is encrypted from end to end, so you can track down your SmartTag while keeping all data from Galaxy users in the network untraceable," said Linstrom.

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Pretty much Samsung already has something similar to Sidewalk but it is use for SmartTag or some unknown device right now(?) And there is no way to turn off something in your Galaxy device for this Galaxy Find network(?)
Granted that SmartTag or similar Samsung device probably won't use that much data (since there is limited amount of battery power in SmartTag). But likely using your cellphone data or the data of the Wifi network your galaxy device connect to.
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TheyreRunninOutOfYou
06-07-2021 at 07:44 PM.
06-07-2021 at 07:44 PM.
Quote from oxnardprof :
Thank you for the instructions. In my case, I do not see the Sidewalk link, so I can't turn it on or off. I have an Echo, and Fire TV ( I guess the fire TV is not an issue).

I believe the Alexa app on my iPad is up to date (it recently updated.)

I just noticed the Wiki on this thread - Echo devices 3rd generation and newer have Sidewalk right now. I guess my echo device is older (I have no idea what generation it is.)

I'm in the same boat. I don't see the setting either, so I'm assuming my echo and dots are too old.
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MozartA
06-07-2021 at 07:55 PM.
06-07-2021 at 07:55 PM.
Looks like Apple may have their own Bluetooth find network that use someone else data limit to transmit information to Apple Server to help locate Apple devices. And is there any option of your Apple device to disallow something connect to your Bluetooth to send data to Apple server?
Wonder what other services like this exist in Apple products beside this that use stranger Apple devices to send data to Apple server..

https://www.wired.com/story/apple...bluetooth/
Say someone steals your MacBook. Even if the thief carries it around closed and disconnected from the internet, your laptop will emit its rotating public key via Bluetooth. A nearby stranger's iPhone, with no interaction from its owner, will pick up the signal, check its own location, and encrypt that location data using the public key it picked up from the laptop .....
The stranger's iPhone then uploads two things to Apple's server: The encrypted location, and a hash of the laptop's public key, which will serve as an identifier. Since Apple doesn't have the private key, it can't decrypt the location.
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InfiniteWIP
06-07-2021 at 07:58 PM.
06-07-2021 at 07:58 PM.
Quote from sdtacos250 :
Ok... not a deal try another subforum

Wtf dude - this kind of PSA is perfectly fine here
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Angel_Eater
06-07-2021 at 08:22 PM.
06-07-2021 at 08:22 PM.
Quote from DelightfulSofa7798 :
Umm... It's 500 mb of data. Not 500 mb of your bandwidth. 500 mb is literally nothing and isn't bottlenecking anything.
Um...data is data and it all starts adding up in large amounts.
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Angel_Eater
06-07-2021 at 08:24 PM.
06-07-2021 at 08:24 PM.
Quote from jabberwockgee :
Love people who think this is going to replace someone's internet and they're gonna cruise around the neighborhood stealing data from their neighbors.

It's capped at twice the speed of 2G (essentially unusable, so to find tile devices, Alexa queries, and maybe allow your ring device to function if your internet goes out), and only works for Amazon devices.

Really curious about the demographic who's going to unplug their internet so they can ask 8000 questions to Alexa in a row then turn their internet back on lol
Gotta stream that 4K over 900MHz!! laugh out loud
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06-07-2021 at 08:31 PM.
06-07-2021 at 08:31 PM.
Quote from jasongw :
Not really. Skynet is a fictional artificial intelligence that wants to kill people. Sidewalk is just a network with very little bandwidth, for connecting smart devices that don't require much data.
That's how it starts
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DelightfulSofa7798
06-07-2021 at 08:36 PM.
06-07-2021 at 08:36 PM.
Quote from Angel_Eater :
Um...data is data and it all starts adding up in large amounts.

You must not understand the difference between data and bandwidth. or the fact that 500mb a month isn't even that much. it's hardly a jump drives worth.
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dhruva
06-07-2021 at 08:40 PM.
06-07-2021 at 08:40 PM.
Quote from AmiReallyFunny :
I'm probably in the minority, but does anyone else not give shit? I like the purpose and tech behind Amazon sidewalk

I am with you on this. It's a great idea. Some are behaving as if their iPhones etc are not listening, sharing data and using bandwidth to send data. They hate innovation until the time comes when they will need help.
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Extraordinary2021
06-07-2021 at 09:26 PM.
06-07-2021 at 09:26 PM.
Spoke w Amazon help. Only specific echo devices support sidewalk. So no need to dc Sidewalk from fire. Echo auto. Roav. Echo flex. Ring. Also you can dc sidewalk from supported devices at anytime. Before tonite or after tonite. The window to dc doesn't end.
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