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Did not see this publicized anywhere but a family member sent me an article. You are opted in unless you opt out. May have until June 8th to opt out. See instructions below:

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2...neighbors/

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Last Edited by MozartA June 7, 2021 at 02:17 PM
Looks like if you don't have currently enabled Amazon Sidewalk devices, you won't have the option in your Alexa setting to turn it off(?)

So later on additional device become enabled, you need to turn off Amazon Sidewalk at that time??? Meaning if Amazon suddenly enable older gen Echo (or other device currently not in the list) to act as sidewalk, then at later time, the option to turn it off will be available and someone need to remind you to turn off sidewalk???

Or in the future you buy newer echo devices, then need to remind yourself to turn off sidewalk at that time....

Quote from purpledime18 :

OK. Find this.

What Devices Are Sidewalk Enabled?

As of June 2021, the following devices can act as Amazon Sidewalk bridges:

Ring Floodlight Cam (2019)
Ring Spotlight Cam Wired (2019)
Ring Spotlight Cam Mount (2019)
Echo (3rd gen and newer)
Echo Dot (3rd gen and newer)
Echo Dot for Kids (3rd gen and newer)
Echo Dot with Clock (3rd gen and newer)
Echo Plus (all generations)
Echo Show (2nd gen)
Echo Show 5, 8, 10 (all generations)
Echo Spot
Echo Studio
Echo Input
Echo Flex


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jonathag2017
06-09-2021 at 09:31 AM.
06-09-2021 at 09:31 AM.
Quote from cscamp20 :
Just wanted to add that only select ring cams have can have sidewalk enabled. Floodlight cam, spotlight cam mount and spotlight cam wired. So you should be good if you dont own those devices.

Exactly, I just saw this too. I only have the ring doorbells so it doesn't apply.
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BogartOfElCajon
06-09-2021 at 09:43 AM.
06-09-2021 at 09:43 AM.
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OK Jeff
No problem, homeboy Peace
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ionlyplaybops2
06-09-2021 at 10:39 AM.
06-09-2021 at 10:39 AM.
Quote from Dr. J :
TLDR:

To turn the service off in the Alexa app, tap "More" in the lower right corner then Settings > Account Settings > Amazon Sidewalk. When you are on the Sidewalk page, simply turn the toggle switch next to "Enabled" to the off position.

In the Ring app, first tap the three lines in the upper left of the screen. Then tap Control Center > Sidewalk and tap the Sidewalk toggle switch. Confirm that you want to disable the service and you'll be all set.

I have some Fire Sticks. Will they be sharing my connection?
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06-09-2021 at 11:06 AM.
06-09-2021 at 11:06 AM.
Quote from ahmadh007 :
ty!!!! From the article it says amazon can up to 500mb of your internet per month. Effing insane

mb = millibits, which is not a thing.

MB = megabytes
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SeikenDensetsu
06-09-2021 at 11:08 AM.
06-09-2021 at 11:08 AM.
Welp time to get rid of all my amazon devices.
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ahmadh007
06-09-2021 at 11:33 AM.
06-09-2021 at 11:33 AM.
Quote from iamchris :
mb = millibits, which is not a thing.

MB = megabytes
good to know, ty ty
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jabberwockgee
06-09-2021 at 11:49 AM.
06-09-2021 at 11:49 AM.
Quote from 80is :
and you came all the way to the PSA opt-out thread to tell us that . . . when you could have just posted that on facebook . . .LMAO

how much is amazon paying you?

And you came all the way to the PSA to spew misinformation?

Cool cool cool
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MozartA
06-09-2021 at 01:05 PM.
06-09-2021 at 01:05 PM.
Quote from SeikenDensetsu :
Welp time to get rid of all my amazon devices.
May want to research on iPhone/iOS/Mac/etc(Apple devices) and also Galaxy devices since stranger may be using your data also.

Samsung already has something similar to Sidewalk but it is use for SmartTag or some unknown device right now(?) And there is no way to turn off something in your Galaxy device for this Galaxy Find network(?)

Apple may have their own Bluetooth find network that use someone else internet/phone data to transmit information to Apple Server to help locate Apple devices. And is there any option for your Apple device to disallow some stranger's device connect to your Bluetooth to send data to Apple server?
Wonder what other services like this exist in Apple products beside this that use stranger Apple devices to send data to Apple server..

https://insights.samsung.com/2021...echnology/
Using the Galaxy Find Network, even if a SmartTag leaves your own smartphone's signal range, it can still use the signal from other Galaxy devices to pinpoint its location. "The Galaxy Find Network that empowers SmartThings Find is encrypted from end to end, so you can track down your SmartTag while keeping all data from Galaxy users in the network untraceable," said Linstrom.

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https://www.wired.com/story/apple...bluetooth/
Say someone steals your MacBook. Even if the thief carries it around closed and disconnected from the internet, your laptop will emit its rotating public key via Bluetooth. A nearby stranger's iPhone, with no interaction from its owner, will pick up the signal, check its own location, and encrypt that location data using the public key it picked up from the laptop .....
The stranger's iPhone then uploads two things to Apple's server: The encrypted location, and a hash of the laptop's public key, which will serve as an identifier. Since Apple doesn't have the private key, it can't decrypt the location.


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Last edited by MozartA June 9, 2021 at 01:09 PM.
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80is
06-09-2021 at 02:13 PM.
06-09-2021 at 02:13 PM.
Quote from jabberwockgee :
And you came all the way to the PSA to spew misinformation?

Cool cool cool
'misinformation' is your last name, all one has to do is to read your garbage post.

keep trolling, amazon must be paying you well to try to distract people from the truth.
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80is
06-09-2021 at 02:16 PM.
06-09-2021 at 02:16 PM.
Quote from MozartA :
May want to research on iPhone/iOS/Mac/etc(Apple devices) and also Galaxy devices since stranger may be using your data also.

Samsung already has something similar to Sidewalk but it is use for SmartTag or some unknown device right now(?) And there is no way to turn off something in your Galaxy device for this Galaxy Find network(?)

Apple may have their own Bluetooth find network that use someone else internet/phone data to transmit information to Apple Server to help locate Apple devices. And is there any option for your Apple device to disallow some stranger's device connect to your Bluetooth to send data to Apple server?
Wonder what other services like this exist in Apple products beside this that use stranger Apple devices to send data to Apple server..

https://insights.samsung.com/2021...echnology/
Using the Galaxy Find Network, even if a SmartTag leaves your own smartphone's signal range, it can still use the signal from other Galaxy devices to pinpoint its location. "The Galaxy Find Network that empowers SmartThings Find is encrypted from end to end, so you can track down your SmartTag while keeping all data from Galaxy users in the network untraceable," said Linstrom.

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https://www.wired.com/story/apple...bluetooth/
Say someone steals your MacBook. Even if the thief carries it around closed and disconnected from the internet, your laptop will emit its rotating public key via Bluetooth. A nearby stranger's iPhone, with no interaction from its owner, will pick up the signal, check its own location, and encrypt that location data using the public key it picked up from the laptop .....
The stranger's iPhone then uploads two things to Apple's server: The encrypted location, and a hash of the laptop's public key, which will serve as an identifier. Since Apple doesn't have the private key, it can't decrypt the location.


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this PSA is about amazon. you are welcome to post your stuff into it's appropriate threads.
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robrob777
06-09-2021 at 02:38 PM.
06-09-2021 at 02:38 PM.
I think xfinity does this with your internet if you use their equipment.
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CoolCrib992
06-10-2021 at 05:33 AM.
06-10-2021 at 05:33 AM.
Quote from !xobile! :
June 8th is the last day to op out. OP please put this in your title.

This is very much not true at all but ok...
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!xobile!
06-10-2021 at 07:05 AM.
06-10-2021 at 07:05 AM.
Quote from CoolCrib992 :
This is very much not true at all but ok...
It seemed true when you read on several reputable tech websites and blogs. It will update my post.
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MozartA
06-10-2021 at 09:29 AM.
06-10-2021 at 09:29 AM.
Found an article of pros and cons about sidewalk.
https://www.vox.com/recode/225162...-tile-ring
Careband, a wearable locator for people with dementia, recently announced that it's working with Amazon to see how it can use Sidewalk. If you have Tile, Sidewalk will almost surely increase its effectiveness, as the network of devices that can help locate your Tile will be greatly expanded.

(It's worth noting that Amazon isn't the only company doing something like this. Apple's "Find My" network crowdsources all Apple devices that have Find My enabled to track not just lost iPhones and MacBooks, but also, now, AirTags and even some third-party devices using Bluetooth. The AirTags, especially, have raised concerns that they can be used for stalking people if they're surreptitiously slipped into, say, a person's car or purse. And while you can take yourself out of Apple's global Find My network, doing so means losing the ability to track your own devices through it. And that means if you lose your iPhone or MacBook, Find My isn't going to help you get it back. That's a major disincentive.)

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Sidewalk's red flags

Even so, you may not feel all that comfortable with the idea of your data going through your neighbor's network or devices, or maybe you don't want to share even a minimal amount of bandwidth with them. Maybe you don't have much faith in Amazon's privacy protections. You might be okay with having an Amazon smart speaker listening to you in your home, but being part of Amazon's mesh network is a bridge too far.
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codypeder
06-10-2021 at 09:46 AM.
06-10-2021 at 09:46 AM.
Quote from ahmadh007 :
ty!!!! From the article it says amazon can up to 500mb of your internet per month. Effing insane

Considering that my ISP has a 1.25 TB data cap and charges about 6 cents per GB after that, 500 MB isn't much.
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