Ubiquiti Unifi Access Point WiFi 6 Lite $99

TealMaid7482

Sep 29, 2021

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It's sad that something being in stock at MSRP is a slickdeal anymore. Nothing against the post, good info, I usually sign up for notifications when I need something from them that's not in stock. But just a sad reality of our times.

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digThisXL

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digThisXL

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Quote from TealMaid7482

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It's sad that something being in stock at MSRP is a slickdeal anymore. Nothing against the post, good info, I usually sign up for notifications when I need something from them that's not in stock. But just a sad reality of our times.

Completely agree. In this case, though, smoke em if you got em rawr rawr

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Silvas

Sep 29, 2021

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Silvas

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I feel like these Wifi 6 APs from Ubiquiti are really pointless. The only thing Wifi 6 is really bringing to the table over .11ac mu-mimo is higher speed, but these APs are bottlenecked at their uplink. Ubiquiti is only putting 1Gbps ports on them - both the lite and the pro are kneecapped with a single 1Gbps uplink.

Even with only 1 wireless client connected you still couldn't get more than 1Gbps speed - and you can already do that with a UAP-AC-HD or UAP-NanoHD

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GSDragoon

Sep 29, 2021

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GSDragoon

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Quote from Silvas

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I feel like these Wifi 6 APs from Ubiquiti are really pointless. The only thing Wifi 6 is really bringing to the table over .11ac mu-mimo is higher speed, but these APs are bottlenecked at their uplink. Ubiquiti is only putting 1Gbps ports on them - both the lite and the pro are kneecapped with a single 1Gbps uplink.

Even with only 1 wireless client connected you still couldn't get more than 1Gbps speed - and you can already do that with a UAP-AC-HD or UAP-NanoHD

UAP-AC-HD is $349, UAP-NanoHD is $179. U6-Lite is much cheaper at $99. What does the HD or Nano from the previous gen get you with that much higher cost?

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Silvas

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Silvas

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Quote from GSDragoon

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UAP-AC-HD is $349, UAP-NanoHD is $179. U6-Lite is much cheaper at $99. What does the HD or Nano from the previous gen get you with that much higher cost?

With the nanohd, you lose ofdma but you go from 2x2 to 4x4 mu-mimo, and the nanohd is actually treated for higher speed than the 6 lite, not that the speed matters with a single Gbps port

With the hd you again lose ofdma but get 4x4 mu-mimo and higher speed, and you get 2x Gbps uplink pets so you might actually be able to use that higher speed

But the point wasn't really about the price so much as it was that these products are pointless. I like ubiquiti gear, but they need to stop putting out APs that theoretically can do in excess of 1gbps speed but then kneecapping them with a single 1gbps port uplink

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nightanole

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Quote from Silvas

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With the nanohd, you lose ofdma but you go from 2x2 to 4x4 mu-mimo, and the nanohd is actually treated for higher speed than the 6 lite, not that the speed matters with a single Gbps port

With the hd you again lose ofdma but get 4x4 mu-mimo and higher speed, and you get 2x Gbps uplink pets so you might actually be able to use that higher speed

But the point wasn't really about the price so much as it was that these products are pointless. I like ubiquiti gear, but they need to stop putting out APs that theoretically can do in excess of 1gbps speed but then kneecapping them with a single 1gbps port uplink

So are you saying with 10-20 clients combined, a "good" ap can easily saturate a 1gbs line? im all for 10gbs or 2.5gbs, but i havent seen sane clients being able to saturate a 1gbs line by themselves.

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milk

Sep 30, 2021

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milk

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Just here for the comments, num num num.

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Rand4

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Won't matter on the 6 lite I have tried 100x different settings but never more than 250mbit/sec on a device.
usually more like 100-130
The 6LR will do 500+ same room.

most testing done with pixel 4a 5g

fwiw got higher speed on TP-Link a2300. with 19 devices connected than unifi 6lite or 6lr being only device on it.

older unifi gear I have used was faster. not sure why. after days of forking with it. I just use it now.

I did check with a s21 but speeds were similar esp 1 room over 25ft~~

Last edited by Rand4 September 30, 2021 at 05:49 AM.

Silvas

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Quote from nightanole

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So are you saying with 10-20 clients combined, a "good" ap can easily saturate a 1gbs line? im all for 10gbs or 2.5gbs, but i havent seen sane clients being able to saturate a 1gbs line by themselves.

That depends on what they're doing, but yes, easily.
Not if they're just web browsing, but if anyone is downloading, transferring large files to/from network storage, torrenting, or a few people streaming UHD, etc. yeah.
I can easily saturate a 1Gbps wired link on my home network for extended periods of time; when I was on my wireless (NanoHD) my wireless link would be 900Mbps and I could sustain file transfer speeds to/from my server or my NAS or other machines on the local network at nearly that speed.

10-20 clients could do it fairly easily.

These APs, thuogh, are prosumer/business class/supposed enterprise class APs quoted as being able to handle 200+ (nanoHD), 300+ (wifi 6 lite and wifi 6 pro), and 1000+ (UAP-AC-HD) concurrent clients. All of them, besides the AC-HD, have a single 1Gbps link. Nobody is serving 100+ concurrent clients on a single 1Gbps link, without service getting shitty for everyone.

Nevermind the max speed being over 1500 Mbps on all of these on 5Ghz plus 450 Mbps on 2.4Ghz - whether single client or aggregate, what is the point of being able to do 1300 Mbps, 1500 Mbps, 1733 Mbps on wireless, even if that's a total across all clients, when you can't push more than 1000 Mbps through the single uplink?

Regardless of whether you're doing it with 1 computer or 50, you could already saturate a 1Gbps uplink on their .11AC APs. 1Gbps was the upper limit for the NanoHD, despite being able to do over 1700Mbps on the wireless. 2Gbps was the upper limit for the HD. Upgrading to Wifi 6, adding OFDMA to be able to send more data simultaneously to more wireless clients, yadda yadda... is all marketing wank, for all practical purposes, unless you upgrade the uplink.

Now for anyone looking to get into ubiquiti APs who doesn't already have a decent prosumer/business class .11ac or better AP, it certainly would make more sense to buy the wifi 6 lite than the nanohd because of price. But for anyone who already has a ubiquiti .11ac AP or other vendor .11ac AP that's working, there's pretty much no point to upgrading, and quite frankly these new APs have no significant reason to exist when every advancement ubiquiti is touting in them is academic given the uplink bottleneck.

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GSDragoon

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Quote from Silvas

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Now for anyone looking to get into ubiquiti APs who doesn't already have a decent prosumer/business class .11ac or better AP, it certainly would make more sense to buy the wifi 6 lite than the nanohd because of price. But for anyone who already has a ubiquiti .11ac AP or other vendor .11ac AP that's working, there's pretty much no point to upgrading, and quite frankly these new APs have no significant reason to exist when every advancement ubiquiti is touting in them is academic given the uplink bottleneck.

What about someone who doesn't care about the 1Gbps connection and is really looking for a better and more reliable Wi-Fi signal throughout their house? I don't need fast downloads for IoT devices or my phone, but the signal needs to be reliable going trough multiple walls. The AP6-LR seems like a nice upgrade for that situation over a cheap consumer router as a wireless AP.

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milypan

Sep 30, 2021

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Quote from Silvas

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Now for anyone looking to get into ubiquiti APs who doesn't already have a decent prosumer/business class .11ac or better AP, it certainly would make more sense to buy the wifi 6 lite than the nanohd because of price. But for anyone who already has a ubiquiti .11ac AP or other vendor .11ac AP that's working, there's pretty much no point to upgrading, and quite frankly these new APs have no significant reason to exist when every advancement ubiquiti is touting in them is academic given the uplink bottleneck.

So you're saying there would be little benefit to upgrading if I'm currently using a Ubiquiti UniFi AP AC Lite? I only get 200-300 Mbps at best on that right now, regardless of the client I use.

namlook

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What kind of speed will this deliver?

Last edited by namlook September 30, 2021 at 01:10 PM.

Silvas

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Quote from milypan

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So you're saying there would be little benefit to upgrading if I'm currently using a Ubiquiti UniFi AP AC Lite? I only get 200-300 Mbps at best on that right now, regardless of the client I use.

200-300mbps? That doesn't sound right, even for an AC lite. Are you connecting to 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz?
If you're connecting to 2.4, you're not going to get more than that realistically. Theoretically you could get 450, but I don't think I've ever seen the connection speed say more than 400 and actual throughput never above 300 on 2.4

Silvas

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Quote from GSDragoon

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What about someone who doesn't care about the 1Gbps connection and is really looking for a better and more reliable Wi-Fi signal throughout their house? I don't need fast downloads for IoT devices or my phone, but the signal needs to be reliable going trough multiple walls. The AP6-LR seems like a nice upgrade for that situation over a cheap consumer router as a wireless AP.

For just a LR and not caring about the high speeds as much, for just over half the price I'd go with a UAP-AC-LR personally. 109 vs 179, more mature product

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teaberry

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Seems like there's a few home network aficionados here so I'm looking for some input and suggestions please.

My setup: xfinity modem to AX21 wifi-6 router with 1x OneMesh extender for primary home network on 5ghz (also enabled guest wifi for wife+my work laptops to be isolated) . Also, I have older Samsung SmartThings HomeHub AC 4x units through out a 2900sq ft 1.5 story home which supports most of the 2.4ghz IoT devices (Google homes, Echos, door locks, SmartThing devices, etc), about 25 devices total most are on also 2.4ghz guest network except for wifi cameras that need internal network access.

My issues: OneMesh doesn't extend the guest wifi, only primary network. The Samsung 4x units despite having wired network (ethernet over power), tend to have issues. The nodes especially the primary gets very hot. Resets require weekly. The house despite being under 3000 sq ft, I'm not sure if high ceilings or weird angle roof design leads to dead zones throughout the house without a mesh setup. Even now, I can barely get signal to the front driveway.

I'd love to go back to a simpler setup, either a single really powerful router that can cover all, and I don't mind putting the work computers on guest network along with IoTs as long as performance is good and each device is securely isolated, or something that I can create at least 4 SSIDs (home 5ghz, home 2.4 for cameras, guest 5ghz for work computers, guest 2.4 for iot devices).

Any thoughts? TIA for your time.

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