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For performance, we looked at HDD-only using two 14TB Western Digital (WD141KFGX-68FH9N0) HDDs. However, if you need faster read/write performance, use SATA SSD drives as an alternative. Random read/write performance is significantly improved with SSD, although bandwidth would be capped by the dual 1GbE connectivity. Increasing memory from 2GB to 6GB should also improve overall application performance and multitenancy, and will come in handy if you plan to leverage many of the background Synology apps. In our large-block sequential test, the DS220+ had 223MB/s write, and 231MB/s read in SMB, and 222MB/s write and 231MB/s read in iSCSI, saturating the links to the 2-bay NAS.
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Power Protection: I paired my 920+ with a cyberpower SL 750 VA. I use it only for the NAS and it recognizes it without issues. Estimated run time is 70 mins and it has 12GB of ram and fully populated with 4 TB iron wolves. I have it set to start down safely long before the battery runs low.
backups : if you use this as primary storage for family photos and things you don't want to loose. Then I would look into a cloud back up solution Synology C2, Backblaze B2, or others. At the very least I would set up hyperbackup to an external hard drive via USB. Yes the raid helps to protect against drive failures but if the Nas unit dies or is stolen the back ups will allow to to get your data.
Security: if you access these remotely definitely look up videos on options on how to secure them as best as possible for remote access. There was a recent widespread attack on these if people left default settings in place. Wundertech YouTube channel is a great place to start.
I got this same deal earlier this year and have it set up as my Plex Server. Transcodes 1080p with no issue remotely and Direct Plays everything I have locally, including full untouched 4K rips that are ~80-100 Mbps. So yes, good choice for Plex Server.
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Also OneDrive, if you have office 365 family subscription you can stack up to 6TB in free cloud storage, and use Cloud Sync to send specific folders to each bucket so it can be distributed. Cheaper than backblaze B2
This. Exactly this. Can't recommend enough.
The Synology software supports multiple OneDrive logins so you basically can set up 6 1TB backup locations.
Works amazingly well. I never log into the OneDrive app itself. The Synology client handles it all.
Not him, but yes I do with the Synology hyperbackup application. Set to backup to Wasabi right now. $6 / TB / month. Backblaze B2 will probably be cheaper if you're saving less than a TB (as long as you aren't downloading backups frequently since they charge for egress).
Also, thank God for Amazon extended holiday return. Paid $295 for this a few weeks ago when my old ass Synology died and I couldn't be effed to fix the psu.
Where is the best tutorial to learn how to properly set up a Synology device?
What is a good hdd to put in these that won't break the bank? And for plex servers are you doing just 2 separate drives or running a Raid?
Ive been running plex off my pc but thinking about making the switch to this.
It's been a few years but I used to shuck the WD Mybooks to get their red drives. Usually can find them cheaper than the drives by themselves
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Should I have wait for a 4 bay synology to go on sale or a 2 bay is sufficient? Don't have a ton of stuff, just some pictures and documents for now. Might use it for movie streaming in the future.
Understand what this is. A NAS is for providing online storage on your LAN 24/7 (with a few other features like transcoding, photo/video management, download/torrent management, etc). If you don't have a ton of stuff, you might not need a NAS.
Repeat after me: a NAS is not a backup. Yes if you use two drives in mirrored mode, your files will survive a single drive failure. But your files will not survive an accidental deletion or overwrite. Nor will they survive your 4 year old trying to flush the NAS down the toilet. Nor ransomware encrypting everything all files it has access to. Nor your house burning down. You still need to make a backup of any files you have on a NAS. Ideally a backup would be (1) offline (to protect against ransomware and accidental deletions), and off-site (or on a cloud service) to protect against the house burning down.
So what's the point of having mirrored drives if it doesn't protect your data? It's for redundancy. If your business would lose thousands of dollars per hour that its file server is down, you'd put them on something like a NAS. If a drive fails, the NAS keeps chugging along serving the files while you run to the store and buy a new drive. Pop out the dead drive, pop in the new drive, let it rebuild, and your file server is redundant again.
If you don't need redundancy and just want the safety of a backup, an external HDD you occasionally plug into your computer may be enough to suit your needs. If you need a file server that's on 24/7, a lot of routers have a USB port that you can plug an external HDD into. It won't be super-fast or powerful enough to do things like transcoding. But it's probably enough for 95% of people. (You can do both - external HDD plugged into your router for serving files, another external HDD you plug into your computer each week to backup the file server.)
The main reason to get a multi-drive NAS if you don't need redundancy is to get more storage from a single device than you could from a single HDD.
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If I'm running out of space with 2 bay, is there a solution for adding additional hard drives?
Generally you can't expand storage with RAID - all the drives have to be the same size. But Synology has something they call Synology Hybrid RAID (SHR). That lets you glom together drives of different sizes while still maintaining redundancy. https://kb.synology.com/en-my/DSM...d_RAID_SHR
You can abuse this to swap in larger drives. So if you originally set it up with 2x1TB drives (mirrored), you can later remove one drive and replace it with a 2TB drive. The SHR will rebuild and copy the files on the 1TB to the 2TB. When it's done, you can remove the other 1TB drive and swap it for a 2TB drive. And the SHR will rebuild again duplicating the contents of the first 2TB drive to the second 2TB drive.
Not really the most efficient nor safest way to do it, but it's an option if you need the NAS files to remain available while you upgrade drives.
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Also, that's the power draw difference, running one for a year is there a power cost difference or is it minimal?
If you pay the U.S. average of 11.5 cents/kWh for your electricity, then by a happy coincidence the wattage of a device which is left plugged in 24/7 will just about equal its annual electricity cost. That is, a 15W device left powered on 24/7 will cost you about $15 in electricity.
So dropping from 200W to 100W is a big deal. From 100W to 50W not so much. 50W to 20W might be worth it. But 20W to 10W is probably a waste of money (it will take you several decades for the electricity savings to make back the upgrade cost).
I'm still running a home-made NAS on a 2012-era Sandy Bridge i5-2400. With 4 HDDs and a SSD it uses about 35W at idle. I've been tempted to update it to newer hardware. But the drives make up about 20W of that. The CPU is only about 15W idle. A newer CPU could drop that to about 5W, but that'll only save me $25 in electricity per year (I'm in California where electricity costs closer to 30 cents/kWh).
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I'm unable to answer your question, but I will say this. I'd think twice before opening up your home network to the internet if that's your plan. It's not 100% clear to me from your post if this site will be accessible from the outside, but I would never suggest running a web server from home, especially one on the same device that's housing important family photos, videos, docs, etc.
Oof. Yeah. Don't expose it to the Internet. If you want to be able to access it from the Internet, the proper way is to set up a VPN with access to the NAS (or your entire home network if your router has a VPN server). When you're away from home, connect to the VPN with your remote device. Your device will act like you're on your home network, and it'll be able to access the NAS.
I'm unable to answer your question, but I will say this. I'd think twice before opening up your home network to the internet if that's your plan. It's not 100% clear to me from your post if this site will be accessible from the outside, but I would never suggest running a web server from home, especially one on the same device that's housing important family photos, videos, docs, etc.
Thank you for the reminder. It's a good point. It'll be mostly for at home use. Occasionally I may need to access it from outside but I plan to run a VPN server for that.
Hi all I have a ds212 and I think it reached end-of-life a little while ago I wanted to know can I just buy this plug my drives in and have it not erase it I just switch it to this new device?
Or do I have to backup my 4 terabyte Nas to my 12 terabyte external hard drive then plug these drives into the new device format and then move all the data back?
For anyone who uses backblaze is the data totally encrypted from my Nas as I have some personal information some banking stuff personal pictures excetera excetera excetera I want to make sure that's nobody at backblaze can see my info
I mainly want to use this for to run a VM of Windows 10 to get around paying for my lifetime pass for play on which doesn't run on Windows 11 I just found out.
I tried running it in a VM locally another machine and it's not powerful enough to work properly
2 is more than enough. You can also connect an external usb 3.0 hard drive to it, to store not important stuff like movies. That's what i did. I have 2x4tb drives for important things and then have 5tb external 2.5" usb hard drive for movies and tv shows.
With Synology hybrid raid, SHR, it's a little bit more complicated than that. Shr allows the mixing of different capacity drives, and still maintaining much of the capacity of the larger drives over the smaller ones. A 2-bay nas is more expensive to increase storage in the long run than a 4-bay running shr. To upgrade the storage in a 2-bay Nas, you have to add two large drives. In a 4-bay Nas, you need only add a single larger-capacity Drive, or replace the smallest capacity drive with a larger one.
Unfortunately you won't be able to just move the drive over with data intact if your WD NAS model had encryption enabled by default, which WD tends to do. Only the WD NAS will be able to read the drive.
I have my WD setup as a raid 1. Could I pull one HDD, put it in the Synology, format it and then transfer from the WD to the Synology or do these not work if there is only 1 drive in them?
Disagree. Depends on how you use it. It can most certainly be a backup as well as part of a backup scheme.
I can backup files from my computer to it, therefore it's a backup. I can also backup one NAS to another (in another part of the house, town, country, world), therefore it's a backup. I can also use both of those as well as backup to offline, say USB drives.
Within in an NAS the drives can be setup as mirroring to develop some fault tolerance/redundancy, but yes those aren't a backup, just a way to have some redundancy within the NAS. If all the files are just on the NAS and a person is hoping mirroring drives is a backup, it's not really helpful and puts all your eggs in one basket.
I have my WD setup as a raid 1. Could I pull one HDD, put it in the Synology, format it and then transfer from the WD to the Synology or do these not work if there is only 1 drive in them?
They can run on 1 drive, but if your WD drives are old, I'd recommend getting new drives. In general harddrives last about 3 to 5 years and so you should plan accordingly.
I'd back up your data to an external usb hdd regardless before any migration.
They can run on 1 drive, but if your WD drives are old, I'd recommend getting new drives. In general harddrives last about 3 to 5 years and so you should plan accordingly.
I'd back up your data to an external usb hdd regardless before any migration.
Yes, probably 6 years old but the NAS is rarely used or accessed. It's really just for picture backup. I've probably accessed it 5 times this past year because it is such pita to do (It is very slow and the web based interface is poorly done). Does that make a difference with life expectancy? I believe they are 2TB WD red drives. I'm just wondering how urgent it is or if I have time to shop around for new drives.
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Power Protection: I paired my 920+ with a cyberpower SL 750 VA. I use it only for the NAS and it recognizes it without issues. Estimated run time is 70 mins and it has 12GB of ram and fully populated with 4 TB iron wolves. I have it set to start down safely long before the battery runs low.
backups : if you use this as primary storage for family photos and things you don't want to loose. Then I would look into a cloud back up solution Synology C2, Backblaze B2, or others. At the very least I would set up hyperbackup to an external hard drive via USB. Yes the raid helps to protect against drive failures but if the Nas unit dies or is stolen the back ups will allow to to get your data.
Security: if you access these remotely definitely look up videos on options on how to secure them as best as possible for remote access. There was a recent widespread attack on these if people left default settings in place. Wundertech YouTube channel is a great place to start.
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The Synology software supports multiple OneDrive logins so you basically can set up 6 1TB backup locations.
Works amazingly well. I never log into the OneDrive app itself. The Synology client handles it all.
Also, thank God for Amazon extended holiday return. Paid $295 for this a few weeks ago when my old ass Synology died and I couldn't be effed to fix the psu.
Ive been running plex off my pc but thinking about making the switch to this.
Also, is there a way to backup to a remote synology? ideally I'd like to backup theirs to mine (once I set it up) and vice versa.
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This is cheaper than last November and with the 18GB of memory is a great and very capable NAS (See post #12).
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Repeat after me: a NAS is not a backup. Yes if you use two drives in mirrored mode, your files will survive a single drive failure. But your files will not survive an accidental deletion or overwrite. Nor will they survive your 4 year old trying to flush the NAS down the toilet. Nor ransomware encrypting everything all files it has access to. Nor your house burning down. You still need to make a backup of any files you have on a NAS. Ideally a backup would be (1) offline (to protect against ransomware and accidental deletions), and off-site (or on a cloud service) to protect against the house burning down.
So what's the point of having mirrored drives if it doesn't protect your data? It's for redundancy. If your business would lose thousands of dollars per hour that its file server is down, you'd put them on something like a NAS. If a drive fails, the NAS keeps chugging along serving the files while you run to the store and buy a new drive. Pop out the dead drive, pop in the new drive, let it rebuild, and your file server is redundant again.
If you don't need redundancy and just want the safety of a backup, an external HDD you occasionally plug into your computer may be enough to suit your needs. If you need a file server that's on 24/7, a lot of routers have a USB port that you can plug an external HDD into. It won't be super-fast or powerful enough to do things like transcoding. But it's probably enough for 95% of people. (You can do both - external HDD plugged into your router for serving files, another external HDD you plug into your computer each week to backup the file server.)
The main reason to get a multi-drive NAS if you don't need redundancy is to get more storage from a single device than you could from a single HDD.
https://kb.synology.com/en-my/DSM...d_RAID_SH
You can abuse this to swap in larger drives. So if you originally set it up with 2x1TB drives (mirrored), you can later remove one drive and replace it with a 2TB drive. The SHR will rebuild and copy the files on the 1TB to the 2TB. When it's done, you can remove the other 1TB drive and swap it for a 2TB drive. And the SHR will rebuild again duplicating the contents of the first 2TB drive to the second 2TB drive.
Not really the most efficient nor safest way to do it, but it's an option if you need the NAS files to remain available while you upgrade drives.
So dropping from 200W to 100W is a big deal. From 100W to 50W not so much. 50W to 20W might be worth it. But 20W to 10W is probably a waste of money (it will take you several decades for the electricity savings to make back the upgrade cost).
I'm still running a home-made NAS on a 2012-era Sandy Bridge i5-2400. With 4 HDDs and a SSD it uses about 35W at idle. I've been tempted to update it to newer hardware. But the drives make up about 20W of that. The CPU is only about 15W idle. A newer CPU could drop that to about 5W, but that'll only save me $25 in electricity per year (I'm in California where electricity costs closer to 30 cents/kWh).
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Or do I have to backup my 4 terabyte Nas to my 12 terabyte external hard drive then plug these drives into the new device format and then move all the data back?
For anyone who uses backblaze is the data totally encrypted from my Nas as I have some personal information some banking stuff personal pictures excetera excetera excetera I want to make sure that's nobody at backblaze can see my info
I tried running it in a VM locally another machine and it's not powerful enough to work properly
I can backup files from my computer to it, therefore it's a backup. I can also backup one NAS to another (in another part of the house, town, country, world), therefore it's a backup. I can also use both of those as well as backup to offline, say USB drives.
Within in an NAS the drives can be setup as mirroring to develop some fault tolerance/redundancy, but yes those aren't a backup, just a way to have some redundancy within the NAS. If all the files are just on the NAS and a person is hoping mirroring drives is a backup, it's not really helpful and puts all your eggs in one basket.
I'd back up your data to an external usb hdd regardless before any migration.
I'd back up your data to an external usb hdd regardless before any migration.
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