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Tesla Wall Connector w/ 24' Cable

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Tesla.com has their Tesla Wall Connector w/ 24' Cable for $495. Shipping is free.

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About this item:
  • Wall Connector is the most convenient charging solution for houses, apartments, hospitality properties and workplaces.
  • With up to 44 miles of range added per hour of charging, a 24 ft (7.3m) cable length, multiple power settings, and a versatile indoor/outdoor design, Wall Connector provides unparalleled convenience.
  • Wall Connectors can power-share to maximize existing electrical capacity, automatically distributing power to charge multiple cars simultaneously.

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  • About this offer:
    • Tesla Wall Connector must be installed by a qualified electrician. Visit our Find an Electrician page to obtain a quote from installers in your area. If needed, detailed installation videos and manuals are available here.
    • Refer to the forum thread for additional information & offer discussion.

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Tesla.com has their Tesla Wall Connector w/ 24' Cable for $495. Shipping is free.

Thanks to community member MyCoke for finding this deal.

About this item:
  • Wall Connector is the most convenient charging solution for houses, apartments, hospitality properties and workplaces.
  • With up to 44 miles of range added per hour of charging, a 24 ft (7.3m) cable length, multiple power settings, and a versatile indoor/outdoor design, Wall Connector provides unparalleled convenience.
  • Wall Connectors can power-share to maximize existing electrical capacity, automatically distributing power to charge multiple cars simultaneously.

Editor's Notes

Written by johnny_miller | Staff
  • About this offer:
    • Tesla Wall Connector must be installed by a qualified electrician. Visit our Find an Electrician page to obtain a quote from installers in your area. If needed, detailed installation videos and manuals are available here.
    • Refer to the forum thread for additional information & offer discussion.

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liquid_celica
i have this and a regular 14-50 nema, to be honest, it really isn't needed. i thought i needed it before, but since i've moved and elected not to install one, I see there isn't a difference in charging capability. the only thing you gain is a permanent connection. each car is given a charging cable and adapter so unless your utility company gives you a rebate for this, you're really just spending $500 for looks
tonester
I don't own a Tesla but I did recently buy an EV and did some research on how to go about setting up charging at home, so here's my two cents:

Your typical Level 1 / Level 2 home EVSE (i.e., charging station) can typically be plugged into a NEMA 5-15 (your average 120V outlet), NEMA 6-20 (240V outlet, not nearly as commonplace in your average home vs. NEMA 5-15), NEMA 14-30 (240V, typically used to plug electric dryers into), or NEMA 14-50 (240V, typically used for electric ovens and RVs) plug outlets, depending on the type of plug that comes with the EVSE--many portable (not to be confused with wall mounted home EVSEs like the Tesla one mentioned in this thread) Level 1 / Level 2 EVSEs include an adapter to plug it into a NEMA 5-15 receptacle.

As noted above a NEMA 5-15 is rated at 120V whereas the other ones I mentioned are rated at 240V; NEMA 5-15 outlets are typically wired to either 15A or 20A circuit breakers (for the latter, a 5-15 plug outlet rated at 20A must be used), NEMA 14-30 outlets need to be wired to a minimum 30A breaker, and NEMA 14-50 must be wired to a minimum 50A breaker.

It should also be pointed out that if choosing to run wire from a 60A breaker the wire gauge used here is somewhat thicker than that used to run wire from a 50A breaker--meaning, more expensive per foot; you many want to keep that in mind if you don't have a 60A breaker already in place and are looking to have one installed. Do not try to be cheap and cheat your way around it--electrical code requires it plus it's not worth the risk of potentially having your home burn down. If looking to power a home EVSE off a 60A circuit it is highly recommended to hardwire said EVSE to the 60A circuit rather than plugging it into a receptacle capable of handling 60A.

As far as current draw itself goes--electrical code requires that the max current draw cannot exceed 80% of the circuit breaker's rating--meaning, for a 60A breaker the max draw is 48A, 50A breaker is 40A, 30A breaker is 24A, 20A breaker is 16A, and 15A breaker is 12A. What does this mean in terms of power draw? Given that W(atts) = V(olts) * A(mps), and the voltage rating of the various NEMA plugs I mentioned above, you get this (and yes I realize this is explained on the Tesla wall connector product page as well):

NEMA 5-15 -> 120V * 12A = 1.44 kW
NEMA 6-20 -> 240V * 16A = 3.84 kW
NEMA 14-30 -> 240V * 24A = 5.76 kW
NEMA 14-50 -> 240V * 40A = 9.6 kW
NEMA 60A -> 240V * 48A = 11.52 kW

It should be pointed out that currently there aren't that many EV models that can charge at rates higher than 11 kW so unless your home already has a 60A breaker (and an outlet wired into the 60A circuit) already in place and/or you have a Tesla and really need the Tesla wall charger's 48A capabilities it makes little sense to spend money to have one installed. Your typical public charging stations are capable of charging at much higher kW rates because they use DC charging vs. AC charging (which is applicable to the stuff I mentioned above).

I'm not gonna debate as to whether one really needs to charge at higher rates when charging at home and/or its effects on long-term battery health, just simply throwing out the raw numbers here for those wondering about charging times; you can do the math by looking at the various power draws I listed above and knowing the battery capacity of your EV in order to then determine how long it will take to charge your vehicle based on your EVSE's capabilities and home electrical setup.
psychos
There is absolutely a difference in charging speed, unless you have a Model 3 SR+ or one of the rare Model Y SRs, which top out at 32 amps for AC charging. (Which is the max charging rate of the mobile connector.)

Every other modern Tesla can charge at 48 amps, which the Wall Connector can supply.

A mobile connector + 14-50 adapter costs $320 anyways, this isn't much more unless you're okay not carrying the mobile connector.

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VROOMCHARGE offering free charger as part of their launch promotion. Not able to post promotion link here.
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There is also a $250 rebate if you live in Southern California:

http://www.aqmd.gov/home/programs...-incentive

Full list of additional rebates here:

https://cleanvehiclerebate.org/en...g/electric
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Quote from scruffylookin :
It quotes 80 amp but says only 30mph. So either it's an inflated number or their charging isn't as efficient.

The NEMA 14-50 doesn't list miles per hour, that I can find. But both list 15%-100% charge time. 20hrs vs 8 hrs.

That ratio gives us 2.5, and then the amps 30:80 gives us 2.666. So you're right it's not as efficient, but doesn't seem egregious and makes sense because there's usually a bell curve to efficient charging. I'd imagine the "rounding" they're using for the marketing may make things look different, and both may need a slower top off cycle.

I was curious if there's another charger people are looking at that in the 60-60+ amp charging options, ignoring cost and efficiency and looking more at faster charging.
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Please note this can be installed in US or EU.
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Oops, for some reason I thought the tax credit had been extended.

Quote from superslickz :
Why would you need such a fast rate at home. You typically charge it overnight. So unless you sleep only 2 hours a night not sure of the benefits of faster charging at home. Plus, it probably is not a good idea to charge at a maximum charging rate all of the time. Not good for your battery.
At 48 amps, my Model 3 LR takes 8 hours to charge. At 32 amps, that goes up to 12 hours.

More than once, I've gone on a long road trip on a Saturday, gotten home close to midnight under 10% charge, then had the car back to 100% by 8am for another road trip on Sunday. At 32 amps, I'd be waiting until noon to leave or topping off at a supercharger unnecessarily.

Quote from pmperry :
Yeah but there are standard NEMA 14-50 cables that can charge close to 50 AMPs and they're less money than this setup.

Also, if you decide to add a second electric vehicle that's not a Tesla, you can just use that.
It's not a lot of money (compared to the cost of the vehicle) to make sure that you can take advantage of its full capabilities. And you get a nice-looking permanent charger installation that will likely add a few bucks to your home's value.

You can also charge a second non-Tesla with a Tesla->J1772 adapter: https://www.amazon.com/Lectron-Te...B07V7V2QT8

Significantly bulkier than the J1772->Tesla but it's an option.

If you have a local utility incentive on a non-Tesla EVSE though, that's a no brainer.
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Quote from pokymon :
Has they lowered the price on Elon Masks cars? It's too pricey I believe it's over $100,000?
Have you actually looked at the website? Why do people still think they cost more than 100k????
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Quote from Grayvisc :
what they need is to release the ccs/sae tesla adapter instead! It's well and good that tesla's plug is sleek but no one else gets to use it, so it's going to die! Euro is already going CCS as the standard.
Europe uses the CCS2 connector, which is different than the CCS1 connector in the US. So even the CCS "standard" isn't a worldwide standard. It's a clusterfk.

To your point, all other EV manufacturers are putting CCS1 on their vehicles sold in the US, so eventually it will become ubiquitous. The 3rd-party charging networks have a loooong way to go to catch up to Tesla's supercharging network. I give it 10 yrs til non-Tesla owners are able to make cross-country trips as conveniently as Tesla supports.

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Quote from shastada :
The Tesla wall charger is definitely faster. Also you can get one that is longer than the included charging cable that goes to the 14-50. Plenty of reasons to prefer the wall charger.
I can think of 495 reasons why its not needed, all of them are dollars. Mine charges at 32 mi/hr and is more than sufficient with 14-50. In the garage the cable reaches the charge port whether I back in or pull in. Some may need the longer cable, few will need faster charging. So for 97% of people they can save the $495, unless you absolutely have to have the fancy Tesla device.
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When will gas cars be classified as assault vehicles in the state of California and get banned? Teslas and Prius hybrids only!
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Quote from hryusha :
Please make sure you have a very good electrician that is certified by Tesla. A 1/3 of my house burned down, I am still waiting on insurance, living in a rental. My wiring was done incorrectly and even the township checking my electricity panel and wiring, didn't notice. I had a Y also. Great car. Just reordered another one.
That is very unfortunate. Do you exactly know what went wrong with the wiring?

Like wrong gauged wiring / breaker ....
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Quote from liquid_celica :
i have this and a regular 14-50 nema, to be honest, it really isn't needed. i thought i needed it before, but since i've moved and elected not to install one, I see there isn't a difference in charging capability. the only thing you gain is a permanent connection. each car is given a charging cable and adapter so unless your utility company gives you a rebate for this, you're really just spending $500 for looks
If you have a circuit breaker @ 60amps, the maximum output will be 40amps 11.5KW (220V).
The NEMA 14-50 will get you 32amps, 7.6kW (220V).

So there is a difference, worth it? Up to you, how fast you want to charge. Needless to say if you don't already have the 14-50 outlet installed, then go with the Tesla WC.
Too bad they don't have the original capability of charging @ 80amps.
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Quote from maddogvaq33 :
Perfect for everybody who has a spare $50,000to $100,000 to fall prey to the Democrat blackmail.
If after starting paying $5 at pump, you still thinking that way, then there isn't much left for you...
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Quote from jonnydoo :
except most smart people buy certified pre owned or used. you can't do that with a Tesla really. you'll spend less with a cpo
Used Model S are $25-30k. They're older model years, but because few things break down in them, they work fine and hold their value. Plenty of used Teslas and other EVs available on the market now, a big change from 10 yrs ago.

As a concrete example, I picked up a used 2013 Model S for $27k. Gorgeous car, spent maybe $800 to fix a few things on it (4G LTE upgrade, screen UV treatment, etc). It doesn't have the range of newer Teslas (265 mi vs ~340), but it does the job. I drove it 900 mi from point of purchase to home and the supercharging experience was excellent. I spent 30 min to charge, but I needed to stretch my legs, goto the restroom, and get a snack anyway so not much time lost.

People complain about gas prices but continue to buy gas guzzlers. Make smarter purchasing decisions.
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Quote from scruffylookin :
It quotes 80 amp but says only 30mph. So either it's an inflated number or their charging isn't as efficient.
No, it's not the charging is inefficient, it's because the vehicle is a huge heavy truck. The truck is the one that's inefficient (compared to a Tesla).
Quote from shaundidrake :
I just had a NEMA 14-50 installed. The receptacle alone is over $100: Hubbell part # HBL9450A. Recommended by Tesla itself: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&s...dS3qeOkbRt. Is this considered Tesla tax?
No, that's not a Tesla tax, you're paying for a high quality industrial product. I bought a comparable Bryant at half the cost. I would recommend everyone installing a 14-50 outlet getting a Bryant or Hubbell.

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Quote from liquid_celica :
Yeah its just that, get someone to pull a 60amp NEMA to your garage and call it a day. If you don't mention its for your tesla, they won't charge you a "Tesla tax." If you already have it in your house, then you don't need to spend another $500 for a mounted plug and holder.

Here's the math/quote i've received in the past:

Labor : ("I'm installing a charger for my tesla") $1200
Tesla charger : $500
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Total : $1700

vs

Labor: ("I need a NEMA 14-50 for my dryer) : $375
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Total : $375

I kid you not, these were the prices. This "tesla tax" for all you new tesla owner is going to be a "nice" surprise. It's there when you try to get your windows tinted as well. LMAO
The paid prices are all relative. I paid $800 to install mine, but that doesn't mean everyone will pay the same.

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