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That one is "only" 4 years out of date.
Average length of ownership has been increasing year over year for a while now.
I gave you far more current data than what you seem to be using.
Careful you're gonna throw your back out moving those goalposts so far so fast!
Done talking with you, you're not even trying to be factually honest.
And unlike yours it's not 10 years out of date.
I'm sorry you're so mad someone corrected your inaccurate claim.
Also you're outright lying about what the results said.
8.4 years was the average of all new cars
The average age for the top 10 models was between 9.7 and 11.4 years.
Here's a more detailed link about the same data
https://www.iseecars.co
They even provide averages (for all models, not just the top 10) by vehicle class as well.
For example pickup trucks all models average is 8.7 years.
Passenger cars is 8.4 (same as overall average)
SUVs is 8.3 years.
So yes, people really do keep cars 8 years and longer.
In fact the average is a little longer.
And unlike yours it's not 10 years out of date.
I'm sorry you're so mad someone corrected your inaccurate claim.
Ah, now I see why you get so mad about everything! Sorry to hear that happened to you, but it's not really relevant to the car discussion.... Unless it's your way of telling us you bought a 'Vette?
Also you're outright lying about what the results said.
8.4 years was the average of all new cars
The average age for the top 10 models was between 9.7 and 11.4 years.
Here's a more detailed link about the same data
https://www.iseecars.co
They even provide averages (for all models, not just the top 10) by vehicle class as well.
For example pickup trucks all models average is 8.7 years.
Passenger cars is 8.4 (same as overall average)
SUVs is 8.3 years.
So yes, people really do keep cars 8 years and longer.
In fact the average is a little longer.
To start I provided two links. One was as recent as 2018. Second, reading through the second link you provided in the methodology they literally state that they removed data for cars owned less than 5 years thus skewing the results higher. Lastly, they mention that the data is for cars sold between 2014-2018 making it data collected around the same time as my 2018 article.
Here's the copy and paste of YOUR article
Methodology
iSeeCars.com analyzed more than 5 million 5-year-old or older used cars sold by their original owners between Jan. 1, 2014 and Dec. 31, 2018. Models which were owned for less than 5 years were excluded from the analysis, to eliminate the effect of short lease terms on the data. Models that were in production for less than 9 of the 10 most recent model years (2010 to 2019), heavy-duty trucks and vans, and models no longer in production as of the 2019 or 2020 model years were also removed from further analysis.
Just let it go bro it doesn't even matter you seem to like to argue for arguing sake and it's getting annoying at least some of the others on here try to provide accurate data and vet their sources.
You can tell- because I directly cited data from it.
Unlike you who lied about its contents.
Speaking of lying- what happened to your claim you were done posting about it?
I guess you missed this part too in WHY they excluded some vehicles--- mind you, your original lie was that it was only "certain models" but I proved that wrong too, so now you're moving the goalposts to something else...
Hilariously I can just shrink the bit you quoted but didn't read to show it to you again.
Generally vehicles owned that short a time are not owned by consumers
They are owned by lease companies who then sell them as used cars after less than 5 years from new.
So you exclude those to avoid skewing your dat on how long consumers keep new cars they actually buy
BTW- extra hilarity here... you're claiming you don't trust data from iseecars.com
But YOUR OWN second link (the one "only" 4 years old, not the 10 year old one) cites iseecars.com as a source.
Anyway- again I'd point out the 8.4 in 2022 isn't even unexpected (by anyone who was paying attention)
Your own outdated sources kept increasing... and that increase in length of ownership has been widely reported for years.
https://news.ihsmarkit.
That's from 2016, mentioning the average length of ownership has kept increasing- and even THEN (6 years ago) it was just shy of 7 years (with data from a different source entirely BTW than the one you seem SUPER MAD about).
So the fact it's up past 8 now is exactly what you'd expect.
In fact not only are people increasingly keeping cars new cars longer, cars are simply lasting longer... the average age of the entire fleet has also risen steadily in the last 15 years (as the link above also mentions)
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You can tell- because I directly cited data from it.
Unlike you who lied about its contents.
Speaking of lying- what happened to your claim you were done posting about it?
I guess you missed this part too in WHY they excluded some vehicles--- mind you, your original lie was that it was only "certain models" but I proved that wrong too, so now you're moving the goalposts to something else...
Hilariously I can just shrink the bit you quoted but didn't read to show it to you again.
Generally vehicles owned that short a time are not owned by consumers
They are owned by lease companies who then sell them as used cars after less than 5 years from new.
So you exclude those to avoid skewing your dat on how long consumers keep new cars they actually buy
BTW- extra hilarity here... you're claiming you don't trust data from iseecars.com
But YOUR OWN second link (the one "only" 4 years old, not the 10 year old one) cites iseecars.com as a source.
Anyway- again I'd point out the 8.4 in 2022 isn't even unexpected (by anyone who was paying attention)
Your own outdated sources kept increasing... and that increase in length of ownership has been widely reported for years.
https://news.ihsmarkit.
That's from 2016, mentioning the average length of ownership has kept increasing- and even THEN (6 years ago) it was just shy of 7 years (with data from a different source entirely BTW than the one you seem SUPER MAD about).
So the fact it's up past 8 now is exactly what you'd expect.
In fact not only are people increasingly keeping cars new cars longer, cars are simply lasting longer... the average age of the entire fleet has also risen steadily in the last 15 years (as the link above also mentions)
I never said whether I trusted iseecars one way or the other, what I did do was question how throughly you vetted your source.
I would not try to have a serious debate about something like this based on an article that doesn't even provide confidence intervals and statistical measures of accuracy. This is mere internet posturing. This entire argument is dumb because if the margin of error is +/- 1 year we both would be right, this is literally one of the dumbest arguments to pick to have.
Update: Does not work along with many free URL to PDF. Tesla is too smart LOL.
Maybe you can do that then convert it to PDF.
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Why? To my knowledge every car maker charges for their service manuals and software
There might be exceptions, but I don't know any off hand (other than now Tesla for the manuals) do you?
Toyota for example gets $480 to $1295 a year depending on which manuals and software you need:
https://techinfo.snapon
GM gets $1200 a year for the manuals, plus another $500-775 per type of vehicle for their software:
https://www.acdelcotds.
Honda gets $1250 for the manuals and ANOTHER $1800 for software.
I never said whether I trusted iseecars one way or the other
Sounds like you realized you can't support your original claim so you're resorting to just attacking all available data that shows it's incorrect.
And yet you keep doing it, rather than admitting you made a claim you not only can't support- but what evidence we do have says is wrong.
Bonus hilarity for the fact you keep refusing to admit your error multiple posts after claiming you were "done" discussing it at all
The cheapest Tesla is $46,990.
The average new car in the US is over $47,000.
So "anyone who can afford an average new car" is rich to you?
I think you might just be about to start an even dumber argument than the last one
It's also increasingly puzzling why you're even in a Tesla thread at all then?
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