The Smartest House: Zooz 700 Series Z-Wave Plus S2 Dimmer Switch EXPIRED

thanks been waiting for a sale on the titan. ordered

Great timing. The power went out this weekend and 2 of my GE/Jasco switches died (this has happened before, they suck).

I just wish it wasn't $100 for free shipping. 4 Zooz switches comes out to $99.80 which sucks. These guys have some good basic devices but I wish that they stocked more things, half of the items they list are perpetually out of stock.

Edit: I'm wrong, $99 for free shipping. I must have done something wrong when checking out

Did these people ever fix their payment system? Haven't been able to check out without fraud warnings and they have lost a lot of money from me.

Quote from csrussell : Great timing. The power went out this weekend and 2 of my GE/Jasco switches died (this has happened before, they suck). I just wish it wasn't $100 for free shipping. 4 Zooz switches comes out to $99.80 which sucks. These guys have some good basic devices but I wish that they stocked more things, half of the items they list are perpetually out of stock.

Ughh… the jasco power out issue just hit one of my switches. I have over 20 them throughout my house and just waiting for an expensive series of replacements.

The "click" noise is what you don't want to hear. Very handy people are able to replace a component inside the switch, but I'm not about to solder anything.

Frustrating, I bought several switches in the last sale less than a month ago (thinking they were good prices). Now the Zen72 is on sale for $6 cheaper each. The site doesn't seem to indicate a sale price matching.

Ordered cancelled again.

Why is this stuff so expensive compared to the TP-LINK switches that go on sale all the time for 30 bucks for a 3 pack? Is this professional grade equipment?

Thank you, that's a great sale! I bought a 4-in-1 sensor for $37 a month ago, now it's $30
ZEN74 dimmer is $26 instead of $29

Besides, if you bought something from this store before, write a review and get extra 5% - I just used my code from the last time.

Quote from mraham : Why is this stuff so expensive compared to the TP-LINK switches that go on sale all the time for 30 bucks for a 3 pack? Is this professional grade equipment?

I believe those cheap TP-Link Switches are all WiFi based. They depend on your internet connection and TP-Link servers running to function. Z-Wave devices are made by multiple manufacturers and are locally controlled by a hub. So even if your internet is down, or the company that makes your switches goes out of business, your switches will still work. There is a history of wifi based smart devices that get bricked and become useless when a company goes under or just stops supporting a product.

Edit: Ignore my comment above, a commenter (Guib) below knew a lot more than I did. I thought TP-Link was similar to other WiFi switches.

Quote from Gidti : I believe those cheap TP-Link Switches are all WiFi based. They depend on your internet connection and TP-Link servers running to function. Z-Wave devices are made by multiple manufacturers and are locally controlled by a hub. So even if your internet is down, or the company that makes your switches goes out of business, your switches will still work. There is a history of wifi based smart devices that get bricked and become useless when a company goes under or just stops supporting a product.

The TP link devices do not require their "servers" to work. You can completely block their servers from your network and their app still works, or you can use a number of third party hubs that interact directly with the devices. One such software is HomeAssistant. Some tp link devices can even be flashed with another firmware to entirely disable the 'phone home' features.

The only thing TP links apps require a "server" for is if you want to interact with the switch when outside of your network, which is the same limitation with z-wave/zigbee hubs.

The main technical/cost difference is that z-wave and zigbee use well defined protocols that manufacturers license, which makes using them with different hubs produced by different manufacturers a guarantee, the benefit of which that it doesn't tie you into any one eco system.

To answer their question, the reason they are more expensive is because of their licensing. Zigbee is cheaper than zwave and Wi-Fi/Bluetooth devices are generally cheaper than zigbee. The Wi-Fi/Bluetooth type of devices are generally built on top of open source code and generally have no licensing, hence they are cheaper, despite actually having more capable hardware in them then z-wave/zigbee devices.

I prefer z-wave switches simply because I don't like congesting the same wireless band that my Wi-Fi uses (2.4/5GHz). I believe zigbee uses 2.4Ghz (but it's still not Wi-Fi so still better than the Wi-Fi devices)

Also, Wi-Fi based devices act as full clients on your network which can be noisy if you have too many of them. In many ways the z-wave/zigbee devices are more like "dumb" devices, which imo are better suited for their role as a smart switch and I'll happily pay that premium.

Their simplicity makes them more reliable from my experience, compared to their Wi-Fi counterparts, although they do require a hub, but that's a one time investment só not a big deal.

Quote from Guib : The TP link devices do not require their "servers" to work. You can completely block their servers from your network and their app still works, or you can use a number of third party hubs that interact directly with the devices. One such software is HomeAssistant. Some tp link devices can even be flashed with another firmware to entirely disable the 'phone home' features. The only thing TP links apps require a "server" for is if you want to interact with the switch when outside of your network, which is the same limitation with z-wave/zigbee hubs. The main technical/cost difference is that z-wave and zigbee use well defined protocols that manufacturers license, which makes using them with different hubs produced by different manufacturers a guarantee, the benefit of which that it doesn't tie you into any one eco system. To answer their question, the reason they are more expensive is because of their licensing. Zigbee is cheaper than zwave and Wi-Fi/Bluetooth devices are generally cheaper than zigbee. The Wi-Fi/Bluetooth type of devices are generally built on top of open source code and generally have no licensing, hence they are cheaper, despite actually having more capable hardware in them then z-wave/zigbee devices. I prefer z-wave switches simply because I don't like congesting the same wireless band that my Wi-Fi uses (2.4/5GHz). I believe zigbee uses 2.4Ghz (but it's still not Wi-Fi so still better than the Wi-Fi devices) Also, Wi-Fi based devices act as full clients on your network which can be noisy if you have too many of them. In many ways the z-wave/zigbee devices are more like "dumb" devices, which imo are better suited for their role as a smart switch and I'll happily pay that premium. Their simplicity makes them more reliable from my experience, compared to their Wi-Fi counterparts, although they do require a hub, but that's a one time investment só not a big deal.

I appreciate the polite correction, I have updated my comment appropriately.

Quote from csrussell : Great timing. The power went out this weekend and 2 of my GE/Jasco switches died (this has happened before, they suck). I just wish it wasn't $100 for free shipping. 4 Zooz switches comes out to $99.80 which sucks. These guys have some good basic devices but I wish that they stocked more things, half of the items they list are perpetually out of stock.

BTW, I called Jasco and got my defective zwave switches replaced under warranty--it has to be within 5 years--they didn't ask for my receipt--just had me read off the little white sticker on each defective switch to verify the manufacture date. One time they had me mail in the defective switches to them at their expense and then they sent me new replacements (with the newer models); the other time they did not require mail-in of the defective units. The warranty process is easy to do and definitely worth pursuing if you are within the 5 years . . . I've gotten approximately 6-10 switches replaced free-of-charge in this manner.

Jasco info for warranty support:
https://byjasco.com/contact
Consumer Care hours are Monday - Friday, 7:00am - 8:00pm (CST).
Toll Free: (800) 654-8483

Zooz makes some excellent products. I love their in-wall scene controller, I use it to control several light settings as well as my motorized blinds with plenty of open slots remaining for future scenes/commands.

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