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Or are you going off of rumors and hype that precedes every new GPU launch nd usually leaves us disappointed??
The 5070 will be Sick!
Meanwhile, back in reality, everything I've been saying about the GPU market and price crashes happening, has happened and is continuing...because logic isn't emotional.
It isn't just rumors and hype. The lithography is shrinking to 4N, which will push transistor densities off the charts. The 2XXX was 12nm, the 3XXX was 8nm, die sizes of 445mm^2 and 392mm^2, and transistor counts at 10.8B and 17.4B respectively. So, with around 61% more transistors at around the same die size, the RTX 3070 is around 45% faster. So 45% performance improvement with a 33% reduction in the lithography size at the same die size.
We could delve into mathematical extrapolations for pages, but if a 33% lithography improvement brought 61% more transistors and 45% higher performance, a larger lithography reduction would bring larger percentage increases in both all else equal. Even if the die size were smaller, it could still have higher transistor and performance percentage advantages than the 3070 to 2070 comparison, and transistor counts are still the main factor with standard rendering performance.
If the 4070 is equal to or faster than 45% above the 3070, then now we're around 3080 Ti performance. It's being estimated around 3090 performance, which when considered in light of the aforementioned, nearly every major tech source leak, increased AMD competition, and a crashing market that would demand a significant improvement to keep sales numbers and revenues reasonable, it's not only reasonable but probable that the 4070 will be near or at 3090 performance.
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It's cute people seem to forget AMD exists. Rumors are floating around NV has already started buying back stock from partners which makes sense since they can't sit on 40 series less RDNA3 steals the show.
Also why are people still acting like supply is an issue? By the time the 40 series debut there will still be the 30 series. It will not dry up over night and disappear. The pandemic is over! Nvidia got ahead of themselves and have ordered too many chips from Samsung for the 30 series and 40 series from TSMC. This time around plenty of supply will be available at retail (Bestbuy, Micro, etc) so you won't have to deal with bots and scalpers. Chinese miners will not have first dip on GPUs or care for that matter. People are not stuck at home and Miners are moving on to ASIC. Get it if you need it otherwise wait it out. In this day and age very few people have only 1 machine. There is no FOMO here folks. AMD 6900 xt is $699 and now Nvidia rtx 3090 is $999. What does that tell you about pressure and price?
Or are you going off of rumors and hype that precedes every new GPU launch and usually leaves us disappointed??
The 5070 will be Sick!
Meanwhile, back in reality, everything I've been saying about the GPU market and price crashes happening, has happened and is continuing...because logic isn't emotional.
It isn't just rumors and hype. The lithography is shrinking to 4N, which will push transistor densities off the charts. The 2XXX was 12nm, the 3XXX was 8nm, die sizes of 445mm^2 and 392mm^2, and transistor counts at 10.8B and 17.4B respectively. So, with around 61% more transistors at around the same die size, the RTX 3070 is around 45% faster. So 45% performance improvement with a 33% reduction in the lithography size at the same die size.
We could delve into mathematical extrapolations for pages, but if a 33% lithography improvement brought 61% more transistors and 45% higher performance, a larger lithography reduction would bring larger percentage increases in both all else equal. Even if the die size were smaller, it could still have higher transistor and performance percentage advantages than the 3070 to 2070 comparison, and transistor counts are still the main factor with standard rendering performance.
If the 4070 is equal to or faster than 45% above the 3070, then now we're around 3080 Ti performance. It's being estimated around 3090 performance, which when considered in light of the aforementioned, nearly every major tech source leak, increased AMD competition, and a crashing market that would demand a significant improvement to keep sales numbers and revenues reasonable, it's not only reasonable but probable that the 4070 will be near or at 3090 performance.
I see people falling for the marketing hype all over again and not using common sense to evaluate what they actually need.
Save your money and get what you need/want 95% of us truly have ZERO use for a 3090 or a 3090TI.
Letting yourself be easily manipulated by fake, unknown, estimated extrapolation is just plain silly. It's your money though do what you want.
I'm sure scalpers are salivating over you right now to scoop up every last 40 series card, and NewEgg is looking at its trash pile waiting to start its SHUFFLE again because gullible people are getting hyped up and have to have the latest and greatest on day 1 instead of waiting for reviews and seeing what they actually need.
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