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Nov 25, 2022 11:31 PM
Costco Members: Sur La Table Espresso Coffee Maker w/ Dual Boiler Heating
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I found this comment on Reddit regarding comparison of thermoblock vs boiler - the former leads to inconsitent water temperature.
"Thermoblocks are worse for several reasons, all of which involve temperature management:
with a boiler, the brew pathway, including the group, is heated by the passive heat of the boiler, or actively heated in the case of an e61 or electrically heated group. This means that when you pull a shot, the water doesn't lose much heat to its surroundings on the way to the puck. A thermoblock machine never really gets hot, so the brew pathway will suck heat from the brew water in a very non predictable way (i.e. each shot will be affected slightly differently).
a boiler heats up all your brew water before the shot, whereas a thermoblock heats up water on demand. A pid controlled thermoblock will be able to heat water to a temperature which is dependent on the flow rate, because more contact time with the thermoblock means hotter water. Therefore, the brew temperature will be dependent on the flow rate, and hence the puck resistance. You might get away with this if you're always pulling classic 25s shots, but you certainly wont be able to experiment with things like ristretto and lungo as the change in flow will completely mess up your brew temperature.
High end thermoblock machines like the decent are only successful because they are extremely smart, and can dynamically change brew temperature to a very high accuracy using lots of fancy technology. A PID alone on a cheaper thermoblock machine simply wont give you consistent brew temperatures".
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And I see several other names under that :
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similar design, same grate pattern on the drain pan and tamper
Also am not willing to settle for anything that has plastic parts touching the hot water (so ruling out almost all of the super-automatic ones).
Was about to pull the trigger for Gaggia classic pro, but not sure which grinder should I get... then I saw this... hmmm really not sure about its quality, but could be a good gap-filler until a good Breville deals comes alone?
Thanks for posting!
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Also am not willing to settle for anything that has plastic parts touching the hot water (so ruling out almost all of the super-automatic ones).
Was about to pull the trigger for Gaggia classic pro, but not sure which grinder should I get... then I saw this... hmmm really not sure about its quality, but could be a good gap-filler until a good Breville deals comes alone?
Thanks for posting!
The Gaggia and Rancillio are good in the hands of those who know what they are doing but there are better choices for those new to the game.
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https://www.homecoffees
Single vs dual thermoblock: https://www.homecoffees
Thermoblock vs thermocoil vs boiler:
https://owlychoice.com/thermobloc...il-boiler/
I found this comment on Reddit regarding comparison of thermoblock vs boiler - the former leads to inconsitent water temperature.
"Thermoblocks are worse for several reasons, all of which involve temperature management:
with a boiler, the brew pathway, including the group, is heated by the passive heat of the boiler, or actively heated in the case of an e61 or electrically heated group. This means that when you pull a shot, the water doesn't lose much heat to its surroundings on the way to the puck. A thermoblock machine never really gets hot, so the brew pathway will suck heat from the brew water in a very non predictable way (i.e. each shot will be affected slightly differently).
a boiler heats up all your brew water before the shot, whereas a thermoblock heats up water on demand. A pid controlled thermoblock will be able to heat water to a temperature which is dependent on the flow rate, because more contact time with the thermoblock means hotter water. Therefore, the brew temperature will be dependent on the flow rate, and hence the puck resistance. You might get away with this if you're always pulling classic 25s shots, but you certainly wont be able to experiment with things like ristretto and lungo as the change in flow will completely mess up your brew temperature.
High end thermoblock machines like the decent are only successful because they are extremely smart, and can dynamically change brew temperature to a very high accuracy using lots of fancy technology. A PID alone on a cheaper thermoblock machine simply wont give you consistent brew temperatures".
Sur La Table isn't a no-name brand. This should be a decent espresso machine.
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Maybe someone has experience with other machines that have pressurized baskets???
Also am not willing to settle for anything that has plastic parts touching the hot water (so ruling out almost all of the super-automatic ones).
Was about to pull the trigger for Gaggia classic pro, but not sure which grinder should I get... then I saw this... hmmm really not sure about its quality, but could be a good gap-filler until a good Breville deals comes alone?
Thanks for posting!
https://www.homecoffeesolutions.c...1a88&_ss=r [homecoffeesolutions.com]
Single vs dual thermoblock: https://www.homecoffeesolutions.c...ng-systems [homecoffeesolutions.com]
Thermoblock vs thermocoil vs boiler:
https://owlychoice.com/thermobloc...il-boiler/ [owlychoice.com]
I found this comment on Reddit regarding comparison of thermoblock vs boiler - the former leads to inconsitent water temperature.
"Thermoblocks are worse for several reasons, all of which involve temperature management:
with a boiler, the brew pathway, including the group, is heated by the passive heat of the boiler, or actively heated in the case of an e61 or electrically heated group. This means that when you pull a shot, the water doesn't lose much heat to its surroundings on the way to the puck. A thermoblock machine never really gets hot, so the brew pathway will suck heat from the brew water in a very non predictable way (i.e. each shot will be affected slightly differently).
a boiler heats up all your brew water before the shot, whereas a thermoblock heats up water on demand. A pid controlled thermoblock will be able to heat water to a temperature which is dependent on the flow rate, because more contact time with the thermoblock means hotter water. Therefore, the brew temperature will be dependent on the flow rate, and hence the puck resistance. You might get away with this if you're always pulling classic 25s shots, but you certainly wont be able to experiment with things like ristretto and lungo as the change in flow will completely mess up your brew temperature.
High end thermoblock machines like the decent are only successful because they are extremely smart, and can dynamically change brew temperature to a very high accuracy using lots of fancy technology. A PID alone on a cheaper thermoblock machine simply wont give you consistent brew temperatures".
I agree, and I'm pretty certain it's the same one I found in my earlier comment and it's not a dual boiler.
BTW when you say "easy effort automatic one" you mean super-automatic machines like Phillips 3200 lattego right?
If you are just looking for a semi-automaic machine like breville barista express, then there are a couple ones that no plastic is touching the hot water. Like Gaggia Classic Pro, Breville barista express (please look at below edit) ... etc. For this type of machines, you mostly want to check the portafilter and where you connects the portafilter to the machine (the steam wands and water boilers are almost always metal).
edit: breville barista express uses rubber/plastic tubes to pump steams into the steam wand... so I guess that also ruled it out as "not plastic touching hot water"
But from the unboxing video I checked, seems like the inside of the portafilter (including the basket), where the grounded coffee mixes with hot water with high pressure, has no plastic touching the hot water. So I guess that's a good start.
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