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neumei626

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Quote from gagman33

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The biggest head scratcher for me on these specs is the absence of DDR5. Personally, I'd want to future proof that with DDR5. If your primary use will be for gaming, then good DDR4 RAM might not be as much of a factor right now, but I'm still holding out. Thanks for the post, OP.

What are the real-world advantages to DDR5 vs decent speed DDR4.. 2%? It just doesn't seem like anything we'd ever notice unless there's some future feature that REQUIRES DDR5 but that seems unlikely.

barrera_j

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to be fair though, gaming performance difference between ddr4 and ddr5 is like 5%-8% at most

it's still 2000 dollars...

booboloo

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Quote from LovelyKestrel3576

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to be fair though, gaming performance difference between ddr4 and ddr5 is like 5%-8% at most

ddr5 can be reused in future systems, ddr4 is done.

Redmont

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Quote from gagman33

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The biggest head scratcher for me on these specs is the absence of DDR5. Personally, I'd want to future proof that with DDR5. If your primary use will be for gaming, then good DDR4 RAM might not be as much of a factor right now, but I'm still holding out. Thanks for the post, OP.

Absolutely correct —there is no excuse for DDR 4 Ram at THIS price point — just go to the site and pick something near this price point and upgrade to DDR 5 for the same or a few extra $. Also if a PC is sold with DDR 4 check the MoBo to be sure it can accommodate DDR 5. DDR 4 is not that bad for now but you don't want to be locked into it forever and I think that most of the current —and certainly the new —AMD cards require 5.

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Quote from neumei626

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What are the real-world advantages to DDR5 vs decent speed DDR4.. 2%? It just doesn't seem like anything we'd ever notice unless there's some future feature that REQUIRES DDR5 but that seems unlikely.

4 is already obsolete —I believe that all new — and maybe even the current —AMD video cards now require 5. That does not mean 4 is bad — only that it is now in the PC rear view mirror . If you buy DDR 4 do yourself a favor and check the MoBo to be sure it can accommodate 5.

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MrMcGibblets

Nov 29, 2022

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MrMcGibblets

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Quote from LovelyKestrel3576

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to be fair though, gaming performance difference between ddr4 and ddr5 is like 5%-8% at most

Quote from neumei626

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What are the real-world advantages to DDR5 vs decent speed DDR4.. 2%? It just doesn't seem like anything we'd ever notice unless there's some future feature that REQUIRES DDR5 but that seems unlikely.

Quote from booboloo

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ddr5 can be reused in future systems, ddr4 is done.

Quote from Redmont

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Absolutely correct —there is no excuse for DDR 4 Ram at THIS price point — just go to the site and pick something near this price point and upgrade to DDR 5 for the same or a few extra $. Also if a PC is sold with DDR 4 check the MoBo to be sure it can accommodate DDR 5. DDR 4 is not that bad for now but you don't want to be locked into it forever and I think that most of the current —and certainly the new —AMD cards require 5.

Quote from Redmont

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4 is already obsolete —I believe that all new — and maybe even the current —AMD video cards now require 5. That does not mean 4 is bad — only that it is now in the PC rear view mirror . If you buy DDR 4 do yourself a favor and check the MoBo to be sure it can accommodate 5.

See:
https://www.digitaltrends.com/com...d4-memory/

Also, from https://www.tomshardware.com/feat...e-your-ram:

"Unlike the last transition from DDR3 to DDR4, DDR5 doesn't have more pins than its predecessor. Instead, DDR5 retains the arrangement with 288 pins, but the pinouts are different. As a result, the position of the notch has changed and will help prevent less-experienced users from trying to insert a DDR5 memory module into a DDR4 slot, or vice versa. That's only a small change, though. The real game-changer resides at an architectural level that you don't see on the outside of the DIMM."

Last edited by MrMcGibblets November 29, 2022 at 09:12 AM.

neumei626

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Quote from MrMcGibblets

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See:
https://www.digitaltrends.com/com...d4-memory/

Thanks all for the replies all, I've been out of the PC building game since early 2010 Smilie

MrMcGibblets

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MrMcGibblets

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Quote from neumei626

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Thanks all for the replies all, I've been out of the PC building game since early 2010

Same! Althought I'm an IT Pro by day that works with enterprise servers in billion-dollar datacenters around the world, I haven't built my own gaming PC since around 2010. I've spent the past few weeks trying to get caught up on what's changed. I'm amazed at some of the crazy awesome builds out there today. Before, we didn't really care about appearance, now they are literally hand-crafted works of art [pcpartpicker.com].

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Quote from MrMcGibblets

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Same! Althought I'm an IT Pro by day that works with enterprise servers in billion-dollar datacenters around the world, I haven't built my own gaming PC since around 2010. I've spent the past few weeks trying to get caught up on what's changed. I'm amazed at some of the crazy awesome builds out there today. Before, we didn't really care about appearance, now they are literally hand-crafted works of art [pcpartpicker.com].

Yes at the high end you can build a monster now, but its going to be at least this much or more.

Annoyingly most cases don't have much storage anymore, so another chunk of money goes into DAS.

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