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Seagate Exos X16 ST14000NM001G 14TB 7.2K RPM SATA 6Gb/s 512e/4Kn 256MB 3.5" FastFormat Manufacturer Recertified HDD
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Manufacturer Recertified DrivesShop for drives that are certified once again by the manufacturer to work like new. Factory ReCertified drives are cost-effective alternatives compared to factory-sealed new counter parts. Additionally, unlike in mass production, the re-certification process involves closer attention to the overall operation of the hardware so that the re-certification will not have to happen a 2nd time. |
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Also, these drives have 2 Years of warranty through SeverPartDeals.com, no Seagate Warranty.
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2-year ServerPartDeals warranty, NOT Manufacturer warrantied.
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CrystalDiskInfo: Seatools: Side by side comparison of brand new Exo16 14TB vs the Recert one, the only thing that can't be seen here is that the recert one on the metal chasis on the side has the words recertified laser etch into it. The only other thing that stands out to me is that the recert are made in china, the other one is from Thailand. The recert has two clear logos saying is a recert, one right below the Seagate brand and the other on the bottom near all the other logos saying Factory Recert Seagate. Also the certifications are kind of different between each others as if this recert was meant to a different market? Main difference are the Underwriters Laboratories (UL) logo and the UKCA one. Not an expert on this so anyone with more info about the logos please clarify. Quick google indicates that the UR one is for devices that are meant to be used inside another and not the final product themselves, ie the drive on the left came from an external drive and was shucked, thus the UR logo. The UKCA indicate that it is a product meant to be sold on the market in Great Britain (England, Scotland and Wales).
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The listing title then says FastFormat, not sure if that is referring to a feature of the drive or if that is the name of the Recertifiying company:
Update: FastFormat is a featue Segate drives have.
And then they define Manufacturer recertified as:
Talked to their customer service chat and they said they are recertified indeed by Seagate and that ServerPartDeals runs their own internal tests on top of it. That these drives are warrantied to have less than 50 power on hours.
attached the screenshots below.
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The vast majority of returned drives are barely used (look into the "bathtub curve" of reliability and consider how it relates to the duration of warranties). The manufacturing process of HDD platters is delicate and subject to unavoidable latent defects in the yielded platters. Each platter is scanned for defects that are mapped out, however QC is a "non-value-added process" so this process is as minimal as possible while still maintaining acceptable failure levels. Keep in mind that overly cautious exclusion of disk regions also reduces the total capacity and therefore reduces value. Manufacturers must balance these QC and yield costs vs the cost of returns (drives that fail while still under warranty). HDD are manufactured at commodity scale so manufacturers have a ton of data to balance this trade off.
Returns most often have some undetected issue with a single platter, a platter defect that was missed at manufacture time, or a new localized defect (could be many things, perhaps most common in consumer drives is a head crash because they tend to do a lot of random seeks or use it as a root volume that can cause complete system failure with a minor crash in the boot region).
The manufacturer will rescan these platters and either remove (physically or via firmware) the problem platter and/or remap defected platter regions. These actions reduce the capacity, but platters are the expensive part of an HDD and processing a return is far cheaper than manufacturing more disks, so the manufacturer is incentivized to do more QC (eg additional scans, more capacity exclusion, etc) to save some their already thin margins vs toss the disks in the trash or get them returned again. Doing this level of QC on all drives, rather than just returns, would lead to far higher total costs since the vast majority of HDDs are never returned under warranty.
Further your storage system should always be designed to handle disk failures, whether you buy new or refurbished HDDs. The comparison of reliability between new and used is moot because one should expect either to fail. Those refurbs were once new drives. If losing one drive and waiting for a replacement is a mission critical problem, than I would rethink your storage design.
https://datarecovery.co
https://www.theregister
One article supporting your argument:
https://techmikeny.com/blogs/tech...onceptio
I used to sell hard drives at tigerdirect when I was still in school and I noticed a spike in refurbished HDD returns over new ones. Given that's my bias. I do agree you should have multiple storage solutions. You are allowed to disagree with my main point and people are allowed to make up their own mind with the information available.
https://datarecovery.com/rd/are-u...-reliable/ [datarecovery.com]
https://www.theregister.com/2022/...lure_rate/ [theregister.com]
One article supporting your argument:
https://techmikeny.com/blogs/tech...onceptions [techmikeny.com]
I used to sell hard drives at tigerdirect when I was still in school and I noticed a spike in refurbished HDD returns over new ones. Given that's my bias. I do agree you should have multiple storage solutions. You are allowed to disagree with my main point and people are allowed to make up their own mind with the information available.
For the people buying this deal, please ensure you have excellent backups and use non-Seagate storage for those backups. I get that the price is extremely tempting. If price is the main concern, why not just buy a 30TB PSSD for $39. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2...ly-a-scam/ Sure, your data will be fine. I promise.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BLJVKQKJ
This is $10 more than the deal here but you get 5 year warranty and Amazon's 90 day renewed guarantee which covers free return.
"return your item at no charge to you" - https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/cu...2U35N373NX
The x18 model is slightly faster too as per redditor
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoar...gate
X18 rated - 270MB/s sustainable data transfer
for hardware failure (which was what the original poster complainted about), RAID 1 specifically would fix his/her issue.
also, most data loss IS due to hardware failure and can mostly be fixed by a simple and automatic RAID 1/10/6 etc
In any case the horse is dead, we can move on.
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These are enterprise drives, not consumer drives. As such they have a significantly longer (5-10x longer!) lifespan than the consumer drives that most of us usually buy. As such, they're also significantly more expensive than consumer drives.
Since these drives are recertified, they are significantly cheaper than the price of buying them new. At this price, they are also significantly cheaper than any consumer drive you could buy at these sizes.
So, while it is true that they MAY have a reduced lifespan (we don't actually know if these are actually server pulls, since the SMART data MAY have have been wiped), their reduced lifespan is still significantly greater than that of any consumer drive we could buy at these sizes, while the price is still significantly cheaper. I'd argue that the savings off of both an enterprise or a consumer drive is much greater than any possible reduced lifespan.
But, hey, if you disagree, don't buy it.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BLJVKQKJ
This is $10 more than the deal here but you get 5 year warranty and Amazon's 90 day renewed guarantee which covers free return.
"return your item at no charge to you" - https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/cu...2U35N373NX
Taking a shot. Seeing what shows up. If it comes without the card or doesn't pass the warranty check on the seagate site, I'll send it back.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BLJVKQKJ
This is $10 more than the deal here but you get 5 year warranty and Amazon's 90 day renewed guarantee which covers free return.
"return your item at no charge to you" - https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/cu...2U35N373NX
The x18 model is slightly faster too as per redditor
https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoar...gate
The 139 dollar price on Amazon is a 3rd party vendor Tech on Tech and has same location as the company in this thread, and is "renewed" drive. Amazon Link is 3rd party vendor. There is NO 5 year warranty from that vendor on a "renewed" drive . Just be careful and ALWAYS look at who is selling product on Amazon and who ships it. And research 3rd party vendor.
Part no.: BC511 NVMe SK hynix 256GB
Drive type: 256GB M.2 SSD
Drive form factor: M.2
Any way to use this 14tb as the boot drive?
If not, can this be "enclosed" and used as an external HDD?
TIA
1. Use any imaging software (I belive Macrium Reflect will do it) to copy your boot drive and then remove the M.2 and install the 3.5". The 3.5" becomes your new boot drive.
2. Buy a SATA 3.5" USB 3.0 enclosure. Install this drive and use it externally.
3. Install this drive (or similar) into your your PC's empty drive bay to use as additional storage. You will need a right-angle SATA cable.
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