depends on personality. if you know they can sit still for a long time, and enjoy this sort of thing, you can spend a little more and get "something like" this deal or another model around the $500 mark.
if they can't sit still, maybe get one of those $100-150 61 key casio keyboards to gauge their interest level.
if you got a prodigy on your hands, you can go straight to acoustic grand.
What would you recommend as a beginner piano for my 9&11 year olds first piano?
This Yamaha really is fine for that. It is an older model and has limited features, but nothing wrong with it. Good for children starting lessons. It's kind of standard for that.
Kawai ES110 or Yamaha P125 are good options for around $700 if you want more features.
Personally I would stay away from Alesis, Donner, Williams etc. They can seem like a better deal but the key action is much lesser quality.
What would you recommend as a beginner piano for my 9&11 year olds first piano?
This one is fine. If you have a Costco nearby, check if they have the FRP-1 bundle. I liked that model more than the P45 and it came with more accessories as well.
What is it missing that would prevent one from advancing?
As a practice piano, this is probably the cheapest thing you can get with a decent quality graded hammer action. But as far as that goes it is truly basic. The more advanced you get the more you will want a better quality action and sound. Also the P45 only has capability for one pedal and if I remember right it does not have capability for half pedaling.
This piano isn't necessarily going to prevent someone from advancing in terms of just learning how to play, but in the long run it will have certain limitations with expressiveness and possibly with certain technical skills. All digital pianos have certain limitations but then so do many acoustic pianos. All things considered this is a pretty solid choice for this price range, for a beginner, or for a more advanced player to have around as an extra piano, but no advanced player would want this as their main piano.
When it comes to beginners, people are different and may have very different intended uses. I understand most people probably do not want to put a lot of money into an instrument starting out. At $400-500 I would rather see someone buy this Yamaha, than an Alesis or Donner, or a slimline Casio model. If this is the best someone can afford, or the most money they are willing to put into it, it's really fine for a beginner. Plus sometimes a person needs to play and learn for awhile before they know what kind of instrument they really prefer. It all depends a lot on what your budget is.
I got a Casio PX-130 ten years ago and it was a great purchase, still going strong to this day.
Does anyone know how this model compares? They seem pretty similar.
They are indeed very similar...the P45 has slightly higher polyphony (64 vs 48) but either way that's low compared to most newer models. I think your Casio has triple sensor action and the P45 does not, but people have different arguments about which one is really better. There's no real advantage for you to get this unless you just want to switch to a Yamaha.
As a practice piano, this is probably the cheapest thing you can get with a decent quality graded hammer action. But as far as that goes it is truly basic. The more advanced you get the more you will want a better quality action and sound. Also the P45 only has capability for one pedal and if I remember right it does not have capability for half pedaling.
This piano isn't necessarily going to prevent someone from advancing in terms of just learning how to play, but in the long run it will have certain limitations with expressiveness and possibly with certain technical skills. All digital pianos have certain limitations but then so do many acoustic pianos. All things considered this is a pretty solid choice for this price range, for a beginner, or for a more advanced player to have around as an extra piano, but no advanced player would want this as their main piano.
When it comes to beginners, people are different and may have very different intended uses. I understand most people probably do not want to put a lot of money into an instrument starting out. At $400-500 I would rather see someone buy this Yamaha, than an Alesis or Donner, or a slimline Casio model. If this is the best someone can afford, or the most money they are willing to put into it, it's really fine for a beginner. Plus sometimes a person needs to play and learn for awhile before they know what kind of instrument they really prefer. It all depends a lot on what your budget is.
Thanks. I've been on the fence on getting one in this price range. Either this, or the frp-1 I think it is from roland, or casio s100/110, something along those lines no more than about $500 or so. I can build a better looking stand so don't really care about that. Been kinda waiting for a good sale to make up my mind one way or another. This one is pretty long in the tooth it seems though and I'm thinking is likely due for a refresh... I'm pretty much a beginner, haven't played in years and would want to hook it up to some laptop/tablet lessons.
Thanks. I've been on the fence on getting one in this price range. Either this, or the frp-1 I think it is from roland, or casio s100/110, something along those lines no more than about $500 or so. I can build a better looking stand so don't really care about that. Been kinda waiting for a good sale to make up my mind one way or another. This one is pretty long in the tooth it seems though and I'm thinking is likely due for a refresh... I'm pretty much a beginner, haven't played in years and would want to hook it up to some laptop/tablet lessons.
There are still some Casio PX160 floating around for about $400-600 but that's also an older model and getting pretty hard to find. Much better than this if you can find one.
Hopefully a deal will pop up on the Kawai ES110 soon and I think last time around it was going for about $550. It's really overdue to go on sale again and a lot of people think it is the best digital under $1000.
I'm in pretty much the same boat as you, although I was a piano major years ago, I am so out of practice it will be like starting over. I tested out a Roland FP30 in a store and at first impression it makes an entry level Yamaha look like a toy, but I didn't like the way it sounds.
What would you recommend as a beginner piano for my 9&11 year olds first piano?
If you have a PC or Mac they can use, buy a cheap pair of Presonus monitors and Keylab 61, the Piano V3 German Grand has an awesome sound and MIDI works in the chrome browser for apple like Playground Sessions, or Flowkey. Yes it is only 61 keys, but it has an octave shifter so you can set the range of notes you'll need before the song starts.
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What would you recommend as a beginner piano for my 9&11 year olds first piano?
if they can't sit still, maybe get one of those $100-150 61 key casio keyboards to gauge their interest level.
if you got a prodigy on your hands, you can go straight to acoustic grand.
Kawai ES110 or Yamaha P125 are good options for around $700 if you want more features.
Personally I would stay away from Alesis, Donner, Williams etc. They can seem like a better deal but the key action is much lesser quality.
Does anyone know how this model compares? They seem pretty similar.
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This one is fine. If you have a Costco nearby, check if they have the FRP-1 bundle. I liked that model more than the P45 and it came with more accessories as well.
What is it missing that would prevent one from advancing?
This piano isn't necessarily going to prevent someone from advancing in terms of just learning how to play, but in the long run it will have certain limitations with expressiveness and possibly with certain technical skills. All digital pianos have certain limitations but then so do many acoustic pianos. All things considered this is a pretty solid choice for this price range, for a beginner, or for a more advanced player to have around as an extra piano, but no advanced player would want this as their main piano.
When it comes to beginners, people are different and may have very different intended uses. I understand most people probably do not want to put a lot of money into an instrument starting out. At $400-500 I would rather see someone buy this Yamaha, than an Alesis or Donner, or a slimline Casio model. If this is the best someone can afford, or the most money they are willing to put into it, it's really fine for a beginner. Plus sometimes a person needs to play and learn for awhile before they know what kind of instrument they really prefer. It all depends a lot on what your budget is.
Does anyone know how this model compares? They seem pretty similar.
This piano isn't necessarily going to prevent someone from advancing in terms of just learning how to play, but in the long run it will have certain limitations with expressiveness and possibly with certain technical skills. All digital pianos have certain limitations but then so do many acoustic pianos. All things considered this is a pretty solid choice for this price range, for a beginner, or for a more advanced player to have around as an extra piano, but no advanced player would want this as their main piano.
When it comes to beginners, people are different and may have very different intended uses. I understand most people probably do not want to put a lot of money into an instrument starting out. At $400-500 I would rather see someone buy this Yamaha, than an Alesis or Donner, or a slimline Casio model. If this is the best someone can afford, or the most money they are willing to put into it, it's really fine for a beginner. Plus sometimes a person needs to play and learn for awhile before they know what kind of instrument they really prefer. It all depends a lot on what your budget is.
Thanks. I've been on the fence on getting one in this price range. Either this, or the frp-1 I think it is from roland, or casio s100/110, something along those lines no more than about $500 or so. I can build a better looking stand so don't really care about that. Been kinda waiting for a good sale to make up my mind one way or another. This one is pretty long in the tooth it seems though and I'm thinking is likely due for a refresh... I'm pretty much a beginner, haven't played in years and would want to hook it up to some laptop/tablet lessons.
Hopefully a deal will pop up on the Kawai ES110 soon and I think last time around it was going for about $550. It's really overdue to go on sale again and a lot of people think it is the best digital under $1000.
I'm in pretty much the same boat as you, although I was a piano major years ago, I am so out of practice it will be like starting over. I tested out a Roland FP30 in a store and at first impression it makes an entry level Yamaha look like a toy, but I didn't like the way it sounds.