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Really depends on what you want to do with it. The three main types of lasers are diode, CO2, and fiber. They each have their strengths and weaknesses.
Diode (blue light) are cheap, easy to set up + run, can engrave most materials, cut opaque plastics and wood. Laser heads are easily swappable (within a brand) and they are the easiest to modify (ex a larger work area). An enclosure is highly recommended and air assist is a MUST to get clean images They can engrave (more like mark) transparent materials (acrylic and glass) if you put a layer of something over it (dish soap works well on glass). When purchasing, note that consumed power and optical power are VERY different. <5W optical power is really just for engraving, 5-10W is capable of cutting, 10+ makes short work of cutting (shorter you laser it, the cleaner the edge). Prices range from ~200-1500usd.
CO2 lasers are similar to Diode in engraving capability but usually have a larger dot, so less clean of final image. They have the advantage of being able to cut through transparent plastics. Downside is they take a lot of space, are heavy, and should really be cooled properly which means larger ones require external water tanks (sold separately). Not as easy to modify / upgrade but possible. Prices range from ~500-6k usd, but the <1.4k machines have a tiny work area.
Fiber doesn't really cut, and can't touch clear materials, but has a small dot size, work really quickly, and do really well with metal. Best for engraving. These usually come as fancy small towers that sit over a small object. They all look like finished products with no exposed parts. Expensive and I haven't really kept track of prices as I've been able to get similar results with a nice diode laser and prep work.
As a learning tool, a sub $300 diode is great. You'll learn the do's and don'ts and can familiarize yourself with software. I've used AUFERO lasers, they're a great starting place that can be given away to a friend or family if you decide to upgrade.
Edit: The Glowforge to cheaper brand comparison is like comparing a Mac to a cheap Lenovo. The quality on the other brands is perfectly fine. They don't look as clean, but can do the same work, if not better, for way cheaper.
Because this seems to something cool to hobbyist and tinkerers and before you start with a cheap laser engraver like this and then regret it for the rest of your life:
- The laser class of these is class IV: It can burn skin. More importantly even indirect light, like looking at the reflection of a spot can leave permanent damage to your eyes wich means permanent blind spots or even complete blindness let alone looking directly into the laser. If you still must, my recommendation is to buy an additional enclosure that fits this system with an automatic shut off when it is opened. I have seen reusable enclosures starting at $200.
- The engraving and cutting will cause toxic fumes that need to be exhausted or filtered. Fume filters are roughly $500 for a low cost system and an exhaust <$100
To put things in perspective Class IV classification start with lasers that are >5mW. so this 5.5 W laser is more than 1000 times as powerful.
In my opinion this kind if lasers should only be operated by trained professionals out in the open like this. Operating this in a place of business would be a clear OSHA violation.
This is just from someone who has been working with lasers and laser safety all his life.
Design side, I usually use Fusion360 when designing parts (surfaces), then export as an svg. If I'm trying to do a quick cut / engrave or someone else wants to learn, I usually suggest tinkercad (web based and pretty smooth on phones and tablets) for 3d stuff or inkscape (for detailed photo etching) to convert to and work with vector images (both software are free). I have multiple 3d printers and CNCs so when people come over asking to use stuff, I usually default to tinkercad to simplify.
With the cheap lasers, and to learn, it'd be better to make a design in free software and then import it into something like LaserGRBL (free and works with most lasers). I've moved on to Lightburn (definitely worth it), but that's $60 for the license, so only get it if you're actually using the laser. It does however include a lot of the tools you'd use from other software (can be used for the preprocessing in place of inkscape and tinkercad).
I don't have a single Apple device, so couldn't comment on the OS X side of software sorry.
This keeps popping up. Anyone buy one of these? I'm looking to lightly break into the market. Just got into laser engraving. Don't have 40k to spend on a gloforge, would this be a good starting point?
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This keeps popping up. Anyone buy one of these? I'm looking to lightly break into the market. Just got into laser engraving. Don't have 40k to spend on a gloforge, would this be a good starting point?
Really depends on what you want to do with it. The three main types of lasers are diode, CO2, and fiber. They each have their strengths and weaknesses.
Diode (blue light) are cheap, easy to set up + run, can engrave most materials, cut opaque plastics and wood. Laser heads are easily swappable (within a brand) and they are the easiest to modify (ex a larger work area). An enclosure is highly recommended and air assist is a MUST to get clean images They can engrave (more like mark) transparent materials (acrylic and glass) if you put a layer of something over it (dish soap works well on glass). When purchasing, note that consumed power and optical power are VERY different. <5W optical power is really just for engraving, 5-10W is capable of cutting, 10+ makes short work of cutting (shorter you laser it, the cleaner the edge). Prices range from ~200-1500usd.
CO2 lasers are similar to Diode in engraving capability but usually have a larger dot, so less clean of final image. They have the advantage of being able to cut through transparent plastics. Downside is they take a lot of space, are heavy, and should really be cooled properly which means larger ones require external water tanks (sold separately). Not as easy to modify / upgrade but possible. Prices range from ~500-6k usd, but the <1.4k machines have a tiny work area.
Fiber doesn't really cut, and can't touch clear materials, but has a small dot size, work really quickly, and do really well with metal. Best for engraving. These usually come as fancy small towers that sit over a small object. They all look like finished products with no exposed parts. Expensive and I haven't really kept track of prices as I've been able to get similar results with a nice diode laser and prep work.
As a learning tool, a sub $300 diode is great. You'll learn the do's and don'ts and can familiarize yourself with software. I've used AUFERO lasers, they're a great starting place that can be given away to a friend or family if you decide to upgrade.
Edit: The Glowforge to cheaper brand comparison is like comparing a Mac to a cheap Lenovo. The quality on the other brands is perfectly fine. They don't look as clean, but can do the same work, if not better, for way cheaper.
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This keeps popping up. Anyone buy one of these? I'm looking to lightly break into the market. Just got into laser engraving. Don't have 40k to spend on a gloforge, would this be a good starting point?
No, the market for laser cut or engraved stuff is saturated, much like vinyl with the point of entry being so low..
These are mainly for engraving and won't cut much of anything and what they can do will be slow..
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i got my brother the Aufero Laser 2.0 LU2-4-LF, he has made some cool stuff but refuses to do any research. that being said his trial and error style has produced some nice stuff for being an extremely affordable machine
Really depends on what you want to do with it. The three main types of lasers are diode, CO2, and fiber. They each have their strengths and weaknesses.
Diode (blue light) are cheap, easy to set up + run, can engrave most materials, cut opaque plastics and wood. Laser heads are easily swappable (within a brand) and they are the easiest to modify (ex a larger work area). An enclosure is highly recommended and air assist is a MUST to get clean images They can engrave (more like mark) transparent materials (acrylic and glass) if you put a layer of something over it (dish soap works well on glass). When purchasing, note that consumed power and optical power are VERY different. <5W optical power is really just for engraving, 5-10W is capable of cutting, 10+ makes short work of cutting (shorter you laser it, the cleaner the edge). Prices range from ~200-1500usd.
CO2 lasers are similar to Diode in engraving capability but usually have a larger dot, so less clean of final image. They have the advantage of being able to cut through transparent plastics. Downside is they take a lot of space, are heavy, and should really be cooled properly which means larger ones require external water tanks (sold separately). Not as easy to modify / upgrade but possible. Prices range from ~500-6k usd, but the <1.4k machines have a tiny work area.
Fiber doesn't really cut, and can't touch clear materials, but has a small dot size, work really quickly, and do really well with metal. Best for engraving. These usually come as fancy small towers that sit over a small object. They all look like finished products with no exposed parts. Expensive and I haven't really kept track of prices as I've been able to get similar results with a nice diode laser and prep work.
As a learning tool, a sub $300 diode is great. You'll learn the do's and don'ts and can familiarize yourself with software. I've used AUFERO lasers, they're a great starting place that can be given away to a friend or family if you decide to upgrade.
Edit: The Glowforge to cheaper brand comparison is like comparing a Mac to a cheap Lenovo. The quality on the other brands is perfectly fine. They don't look as clean, but can do the same work, if not better, for way cheaper.
Curious, what software do you use to design / import with?
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Curious, what software do you use to design / import with?
Design side, I usually use Fusion360 when designing parts (surfaces), then export as an svg. If I'm trying to do a quick cut / engrave or someone else wants to learn, I usually suggest tinkercad (web based and pretty smooth on phones and tablets) for 3d stuff or inkscape (for detailed photo etching) to convert to and work with vector images (both software are free). I have multiple 3d printers and CNCs so when people come over asking to use stuff, I usually default to tinkercad to simplify.
With the cheap lasers, and to learn, it'd be better to make a design in free software and then import it into something like LaserGRBL (free and works with most lasers). I've moved on to Lightburn (definitely worth it), but that's $60 for the license, so only get it if you're actually using the laser. It does however include a lot of the tools you'd use from other software (can be used for the preprocessing in place of inkscape and tinkercad).
I don't have a single Apple device, so couldn't comment on the OS X side of software sorry.
This keeps popping up. Anyone buy one of these? I'm looking to lightly break into the market. Just got into laser engraving. Don't have 40k to spend on a gloforge, would this be a good starting point?
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Diode (blue light) are cheap, easy to set up + run, can engrave most materials, cut opaque plastics and wood. Laser heads are easily swappable (within a brand) and they are the easiest to modify (ex a larger work area). An enclosure is highly recommended and air assist is a MUST to get clean images They can engrave (more like mark) transparent materials (acrylic and glass) if you put a layer of something over it (dish soap works well on glass). When purchasing, note that consumed power and optical power are VERY different. <5W optical power is really just for engraving, 5-10W is capable of cutting, 10+ makes short work of cutting (shorter you laser it, the cleaner the edge). Prices range from ~200-1500usd.
CO2 lasers are similar to Diode in engraving capability but usually have a larger dot, so less clean of final image. They have the advantage of being able to cut through transparent plastics. Downside is they take a lot of space, are heavy, and should really be cooled properly which means larger ones require external water tanks (sold separately). Not as easy to modify / upgrade but possible. Prices range from ~500-6k usd, but the <1.4k machines have a tiny work area.
Fiber doesn't really cut, and can't touch clear materials, but has a small dot size, work really quickly, and do really well with metal. Best for engraving. These usually come as fancy small towers that sit over a small object. They all look like finished products with no exposed parts. Expensive and I haven't really kept track of prices as I've been able to get similar results with a nice diode laser and prep work.
As a learning tool, a sub $300 diode is great. You'll learn the do's and don'ts and can familiarize yourself with software. I've used AUFERO lasers, they're a great starting place that can be given away to a friend or family if you decide to upgrade.
Edit: The Glowforge to cheaper brand comparison is like comparing a Mac to a cheap Lenovo. The quality on the other brands is perfectly fine. They don't look as clean, but can do the same work, if not better, for way cheaper.
- The laser class of these is class IV: It can burn skin. More importantly even indirect light, like looking at the reflection of a spot can leave permanent damage to your eyes wich means permanent blind spots or even complete blindness let alone looking directly into the laser. If you still must, my recommendation is to buy an additional enclosure that fits this system with an automatic shut off when it is opened. I have seen reusable enclosures starting at $200.
- The engraving and cutting will cause toxic fumes that need to be exhausted or filtered. Fume filters are roughly $500 for a low cost system and an exhaust <$100
To put things in perspective Class IV classification start with lasers that are >5mW. so this 5.5 W laser is more than 1000 times as powerful.
In my opinion this kind if lasers should only be operated by trained professionals out in the open like this. Operating this in a place of business would be a clear OSHA violation.
This is just from someone who has been working with lasers and laser safety all his life.
With the cheap lasers, and to learn, it'd be better to make a design in free software and then import it into something like LaserGRBL (free and works with most lasers). I've moved on to Lightburn (definitely worth it), but that's $60 for the license, so only get it if you're actually using the laser. It does however include a lot of the tools you'd use from other software (can be used for the preprocessing in place of inkscape and tinkercad).
I don't have a single Apple device, so couldn't comment on the OS X side of software sorry.
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LOL, that is the problem.
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- Diode (blue light) are cheap, easy to set up + run, can engrave most materials, cut opaque plastics and wood. Laser heads are easily swappable (within a brand) and they are the easiest to modify (ex a larger work area). An enclosure is highly recommended and air assist is a MUST to get clean images They can engrave (more like mark) transparent materials (acrylic and glass) if you put a layer of something over it (dish soap works well on glass). When purchasing, note that consumed power and optical power are VERY different. <5W optical power is really just for engraving, 5-10W is capable of cutting, 10+ makes short work of cutting (shorter you laser it, the cleaner the edge). Prices range from ~200-1500usd.
- CO2 lasers are similar to Diode in engraving capability but usually have a larger dot, so less clean of final image. They have the advantage of being able to cut through transparent plastics. Downside is they take a lot of space, are heavy, and should really be cooled properly which means larger ones require external water tanks (sold separately). Not as easy to modify / upgrade but possible. Prices range from ~500-6k usd, but the <1.4k machines have a tiny work area.
- Fiber doesn't really cut, and can't touch clear materials, but has a small dot size, work really quickly, and do really well with metal. Best for engraving. These usually come as fancy small towers that sit over a small object. They all look like finished products with no exposed parts. Expensive and I haven't really kept track of prices as I've been able to get similar results with a nice diode laser and prep work.
As a learning tool, a sub $300 diode is great. You'll learn the do's and don'ts and can familiarize yourself with software. I've used AUFERO lasers, they're a great starting place that can be given away to a friend or family if you decide to upgrade.Edit: The Glowforge to cheaper brand comparison is like comparing a Mac to a cheap Lenovo. The quality on the other brands is perfectly fine. They don't look as clean, but can do the same work, if not better, for way cheaper.
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I ordered the one with the LU2-4-LF laser.
These are mainly for engraving and won't cut much of anything and what they can do will be slow..
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- Diode (blue light) are cheap, easy to set up + run, can engrave most materials, cut opaque plastics and wood. Laser heads are easily swappable (within a brand) and they are the easiest to modify (ex a larger work area). An enclosure is highly recommended and air assist is a MUST to get clean images They can engrave (more like mark) transparent materials (acrylic and glass) if you put a layer of something over it (dish soap works well on glass). When purchasing, note that consumed power and optical power are VERY different. <5W optical power is really just for engraving, 5-10W is capable of cutting, 10+ makes short work of cutting (shorter you laser it, the cleaner the edge). Prices range from ~200-1500usd.
- CO2 lasers are similar to Diode in engraving capability but usually have a larger dot, so less clean of final image. They have the advantage of being able to cut through transparent plastics. Downside is they take a lot of space, are heavy, and should really be cooled properly which means larger ones require external water tanks (sold separately). Not as easy to modify / upgrade but possible. Prices range from ~500-6k usd, but the <1.4k machines have a tiny work area.
- Fiber doesn't really cut, and can't touch clear materials, but has a small dot size, work really quickly, and do really well with metal. Best for engraving. These usually come as fancy small towers that sit over a small object. They all look like finished products with no exposed parts. Expensive and I haven't really kept track of prices as I've been able to get similar results with a nice diode laser and prep work.
As a learning tool, a sub $300 diode is great. You'll learn the do's and don'ts and can familiarize yourself with software. I've used AUFERO lasers, they're a great starting place that can be given away to a friend or family if you decide to upgrade.Edit: The Glowforge to cheaper brand comparison is like comparing a Mac to a cheap Lenovo. The quality on the other brands is perfectly fine. They don't look as clean, but can do the same work, if not better, for way cheaper.
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With the cheap lasers, and to learn, it'd be better to make a design in free software and then import it into something like LaserGRBL (free and works with most lasers). I've moved on to Lightburn (definitely worth it), but that's $60 for the license, so only get it if you're actually using the laser. It does however include a lot of the tools you'd use from other software (can be used for the preprocessing in place of inkscape and tinkercad).
I don't have a single Apple device, so couldn't comment on the OS X side of software sorry.
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