Sam's Club has for its
Members: Generac Guardian Series WiFi Enabled 22,000-Watt (LP) / 19,500-Watt (NG) Standby Generator with 200A Automatic Transfer Switch (G007043) on sale for
$5499.
Shipping is free.
Thanks to community member
tunabreath for finding this deal.
Product Details:
- Best-in-class power quality with less then 5 percent total harmonic distortion
- Mobile Link remote monitoring allows you to monitor the status of your generator
- 200 Amp Whole Home Transfer Switch
- Alexa Smart Home Compatible
- True Power Technology delivers utility-grade power quality with less than 5 percent total harmonic distortion for clean, smooth operation of sensitive electronics and appliances.
- Comes with a 10 Year Warranty (must be installed & activated by 6/25/23)
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Like an A/C heat pump it needs a concrete or composite concrete pad to sit on. You will likely need an electrician to connect it to your house and you may need to coordinate with your electric company for certain aspects of the installation like the auto transfer. Unless you have natural gas and get the conversion (I think a conversion is possible) you will also need a large propane tank installed (capacity of 100 to 250 gallons) by a propane company and coordinate with them for filling when needed/ahead of storms, etc. The tank is pretty big and needs to be within so many feet of the generator. These require annual maintenance that you may be able to do yourself or it's around $100 to $150 to have Generac do it. The 10 year warranty seems nice but 10 years of annual maintenance would be better. Finally these generators are big and heavy. I don't think you will be able to move it in place with a dolly.
I had a quote for purchase and install from a Generac dealer and installation was 30% or more of the quote. I never went through with it because installation seemed to be where they were gouging. The coordination with your power company should be free or minimal. Obviously electricians vary by area. I think the dealer had me coordinate with the propane company for install of the tank. I know Lowes sells Generacs. I would be interested in how much they charge for installation.
At the time generators we're on backorder for 6 months or more. Sounds like they've gotten ahead of the supply issues now.
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I've replaced the battery on my own a few times but at these prices it's a wash if I do it or if the service people do it.
I did manage to get a very expensive fuel line defect repaired for no charge. There's no way I could have done that myself or even qualified for the recall campaign and without my service people I would have been screwed.
*EDIT:* I just checked the specs of this deal. That looks like a 2-cyl leaf blower engine. I have a friend with that kind of engine and, wow, it's loud. My 4-cyl generator purrs by comparison.
Permit fees, gas meter location, gas meter size, (don't ever allow a contractor to tee into an existing gas line ran to a furnace, etc) electrical service, electrical panel distance... I could go on and on.
At the time generators we're on backorder for 6 months or more. Sounds like they've gotten ahead of the supply issues now.
That's if the bandits don't get you first.
Better off getting a hand pump well and learning to garden / hunt.
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Consider if the power goes out while you are on vacation and you left the generator in "auto". It would start and operate continuously to maintain the thermostat setting. I leave my generator in off/manual because I have no equipment that needs to be running while I'm gone for 10 hours a day. I'd hate to go to work at 6am and the power goes out after I leave and the generator is burning fuel all day.
If you had a battery backup for your router/modem then it could be of value.
As for the 20 second delay, I bought UPS devices for all the important electronics.
Life ProTip: Put your cable modem/internet router and WiFi devices on a UPS and you will enjoy uninterrupted internet. My FiOS internet router (and my older cable modem) takes up to five minutes to come back online so having a UPS is essential even with a whole-house generator.
We almost committed to one of these a few years ago, but balked when the quoted price for the unit, install and all that stuff was like $14k. Add on the yearly warranty and maintenance and you are really paying a premium for backup service. Current battery tech (with subsidies) are getting closer in costs relative to size, but they still come with downsides like lacking a constant fuel source if Solar can't keep up during the day, etc.
The mobile link app shows it has protected my house for 88 days.
I did a lot of the installation myself. Not for the average DIY.
All the above said, unless you have a large propane install already, I don't know that I'd run this off propane. It's simply too hungry a machine for that IMHO; if I'm going to go ahead with a whole home standby generator, I want it to at least be able to run for about a week (I don't live rurally and have had multiple week+ outages due to storms in the summer). You need access to NG though.
You can use a 200A open transitional switch, hell, you can use a 1000A open transitional switch on a 100A main panel as long as it is fed by a 100A main disconnect and properly sized wire, however you CANNOT use a service rated x-fer switch larger than your main panel's breaker. The breaker protects the wire, the wire has to be sized to the circuit protection ampacity of the breaker. Let me know how fitting your 4/0 SER cable into that 100A panel works out.. After your first means of disconnect you have to split your neutrals and grounds as well, so you have to run SER, not SE cable..
I'm sure I can also find a review online that states you don't even need a service rated switch in between a meter and a main panel. Maybe you should go that route and save some money, after all, someone on the internet said it was fine to do!
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