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Pioneer 12,000BTU 23 SEER Wi-Fi Ductless Mini Split Inverter Air Conditioner

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Home Depot has Pioneer 12,000BTU 23 SEER Wi-Fi Ductless Mini Split Inverter Air Conditioner (WYT012GLFI22RL) on sale for $899. Select free store pickup where available.

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About this Item:
  • Cooling: 12,000 BTU/hour capacity with 23 SEER/13 SEER efficiency
  • Heating: 12,000 BTU/hour capacity with 10 HSPF efficiency/3.5 COP
  • Quiet as 27 dB on the indoor section and 52 dB on the outdoor unit
  • Heating during -13°F weather and cooling during 140°F weather
  • Voltage of 208-Volt - 253-Volt, 60 Hz, 1 ph (15 Amp double-pole breaker recommended)

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  • About this Deal:
    • Rated 4.8 out of 5 stars from 4 reviews.
    • At the time of this posting, our research indicates that this is $69 lower (7.1% savings) than the next best available prices starting from $968. -SaltyOne
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Update: This deal is still available.

Home Depot has Pioneer 12,000BTU 23 SEER Wi-Fi Ductless Mini Split Inverter Air Conditioner (WYT012GLFI22RL) on sale for $899. Select free store pickup where available.

Thanks to Community Member angryguywalking for sharing this deal.

Note: Availability for pickup may vary by location

About this Item:
  • Cooling: 12,000 BTU/hour capacity with 23 SEER/13 SEER efficiency
  • Heating: 12,000 BTU/hour capacity with 10 HSPF efficiency/3.5 COP
  • Quiet as 27 dB on the indoor section and 52 dB on the outdoor unit
  • Heating during -13°F weather and cooling during 140°F weather
  • Voltage of 208-Volt - 253-Volt, 60 Hz, 1 ph (15 Amp double-pole breaker recommended)

Editor's Notes

Written by SubZero5 | Staff
  • About this Deal:
    • Rated 4.8 out of 5 stars from 4 reviews.
    • At the time of this posting, our research indicates that this is $69 lower (7.1% savings) than the next best available prices starting from $968. -SaltyOne
    • Want to stack more cashback? Click here to compare the available cashback credit cards.

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helios-shreyas
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I posted this in the Costway thread but crossposting here as the same info may be helpful!


There is great discussion about heat pumps and DIY installation in the FAQ of the r/heatpumps community on reddit [reddit.com].
In most states, you do not need to be a licensed HVAC contractor to install one of these systems and can still do it "on the books" by pulling an Owner-Builder permit. For example in California: https://www.cslb.ca.gov/consumers...rview.aspx
All heat pump systems have a factory charge that corresponds to a certain line length. You only need to add more refrigerant if you have longer lines than what the factory charge is good for. It looks like these systems are charged for a 16' length.
These systems are listed on NEEP Air Source Heat Pump [neep.org] and AHRI Certification [ahridirectory.org] directory. There is good additional documentation on those portals about the "actual" performance of these units at different temperatures.
If you live in a cold climate (below ~5F in the winter), you are going to want something that uses vapor injection technology [youtube.com]. Typically these systems are branded as "hyper heat" or "extreme heat" and work quite well in low temperatures.
Even though these systems are marketed as "low ambient", it doesn't appear to use vapor injection, rather relying on inefficient strip heaters. You can see this based on the performance noted on the NEEP website [neep.org] - for example the 9000 BTU unit falls to ~4000BTU heating capacity at -13F, and the COP falls from ~4 to ~1.5. This means that you are going to be using about 3x the electricity on cold winter days while having degraded performance.


Feel free to DM me if you have any heat pump questions, happy to help out!
jkloisdafoiwdaf
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Sale? The price has doubled since last time this was on sale
DinnoM
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Thank you for making me go on the energy star website and look for it. I just bought one last week and thinking of returning it, still unopened. The Pioneer brand only has two units that are certified.
Here's the link for general information https://www.energystar.gov/rebate...e_number=0
And link for product search
https://www.energystar.gov/produc...heat-pumps

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Sale? The price has doubled since last time this was on sale
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Unlike the cheapo Woot and Costway units these actually qualify for the 30% Federal tax credit, making the effective purchase price close to $600.
Note: After checking, only the 12K BTU 230V unit is listed on the CEE list. It is also the only one that the Homedepot site lists as being "eligible for upto $2000 in rebates". So it seems if you want to be sure to qualify that is the only unit eligible as of now.
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Quote from jkloisdafoiwdaf :
Sale? The price has doubled since last time this was on sale
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I posted this in the Costway thread but crossposting here as the same info may be helpful!
  • There is great discussion about heat pumps and DIY installation in the FAQ of the r/heatpumps community on reddit [reddit.com].
  • In most states, you do not need to be a licensed HVAC contractor to install one of these systems and can still do it "on the books" by pulling an Owner-Builder permit. For example in California: https://www.cslb.ca.gov/consumers...rview.aspx
  • All heat pump systems have a factory charge that corresponds to a certain line length. You only need to add more refrigerant if you have longer lines than what the factory charge is good for. It looks like these systems are charged for a 16' length.
  • These systems are listed on NEEP Air Source Heat Pump [neep.org] and AHRI Certification [ahridirectory.org] directory. There is good additional documentation on those portals about the "actual" performance of these units at different temperatures.
  • If you live in a cold climate (below ~5F in the winter), you are going to want something that uses vapor injection technology [youtube.com]. Typically these systems are branded as "hyper heat" or "extreme heat" and work quite well in low temperatures.
  • Even though these systems are marketed as "low ambient", it doesn't appear to use vapor injection, rather relying on inefficient strip heaters. You can see this based on the performance noted on the NEEP website [neep.org] - for example the 9000 BTU unit falls to ~4000BTU heating capacity at -13F, and the COP falls from ~4 to ~1.5. This means that you are going to be using about 3x the electricity on cold winter days while having degraded performance.

Feel free to DM me if you have any heat pump questions, happy to help out!
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Quote from topcat2001 :
Unlike the cheapo Woot and Costway units these actually qualify for the 30% Federal tax credit, making the effective purchase price close to $600.
Will you be eligible for the tax credit for self-installed systems? Many regional rebate programs explicitly require the system to be installed by a licensed contractor to be eligible. I didn't see any specific verbiage in the IRS Guidance [irs.gov] suggesting that this is the case, but people might want to be careful not to rely on getting the 30% unless there's a source that explicitly says self installs are OK.
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This is WYT Dimante Ultra (made by TCL?)
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I installed a 24k last year for our walkout basement. Love it. Kept it warm all winter for very little money. The install was a bit nerve racking for a first timer. Definitely would do it again.
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Do you need to vacuum these DIY lines?
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Quote from MAYRA24 :
I installed a 24k last year for our walkout basement. Love it. Kept it warm all winter for very little money. The install was a bit nerve racking for a first timer. Definitely would do it again.
This is what I've been wondering, how much electricity (watts) does it use if you turn it on at least 10 hours a day?

For a electric heater, it uses at most 1.5 x 10 = 15 kw for 10 hours, but it puts out only 5120 BTU
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Quote from jkloisdafoiwdaf :
Sale? The price has doubled since last time this was on sale
Exactly, this post, and the upvotes are confusing. these have been on sale a few times in the last couple of years for 500-700. this is not slick.
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Quote from nicedog :
This is what I've been wondering, how much electricity (watts) does it use if you turn it on at least 10 hours a day?

For a electric heater, it uses at most 1.5 x 10 = 15 kw for 10 hours, but it puts out only 5120 BTU
This is quantified by the coefficient of performance (COP). For the 9000 BTU unit, the COP is 2.89 at 17 F [neep.org], and the max heating output is 8380 BTU/hr. That means that you'll use 8380/2.89 = 2900 BTU/hr of energy to deliver the 8380 BTU/hr of heat. That means you'll use 0.85kW, or 8.5 kWh over 10 hours.

That being said, inverter heat pumps modulate their speed based on the heating demand that is needed. You aren't going to constantly need the max output over the entire 10 hr timeframe. Realistically you'll be at max for a little bit as the room heats up, and then the energy needed will drop substantially. Realistically you are probably looking at half the above energy or less since the effective energy you're using will be less over time. Hope that makes sense!
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Do these have certification to the new seer2 standards? The 30% credit is a bit ambiguous about what applies, IMO… someone please educate me.
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Quote from helios-shreyas :
This is quantified by the coefficient of performance (COP). For the 9000 BTU unit, the COP is 2.89 at 17 F [neep.org], and the max heating output is 8380 BTU/hr. That means that you'll use 8380/2.89 = 2900 BTU/hr of energy to deliver the 8380 BTU/hr of heat. That means you'll use 0.85kW, or 8.5 kWh over 10 hours.

That being said, inverter heat pumps modulate their speed based on the heating demand that is needed. You aren't going to constantly need the max output over the entire 10 hr timeframe. Realistically you'll be at max for a little bit as the room heats up, and then the energy needed will drop substantially. Realistically you are probably looking at half the above energy or less since the effective energy you're using will be less over time. Hope that makes sense!
That's very impressive, thank you
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Quote from nicedog :
This is what I've been wondering, how much electricity (watts) does it use if you turn it on at least 10 hours a day?

For a electric heater, it uses at most 1.5 x 10 = 15 kw for 10 hours, but it puts out only 5120 BTU
So one thing you have to learn about these, it's actually more efficient to leave them on all the time. It will depend on your heat loss but in my case it was about 20 extra a month to heat my basement in upstate NY. I probably should have got a smaller btu because initially I thought I would turn it on and off.

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Quote from ericnmu :
Do you need to vacuum these DIY lines?
These are not DIY lines. Yes you need a vacuum pump and potentially also line flaring tools to cut to custom length. Even if you buy the tools you will save hundreds compared to the diy sets.

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