Detailed Answer:
Step 1: Look at Line 11 on your 2022 Tax return (Form 1040).
Step 1a: For the vast majority of taxpayers this won't apply: Add to Step 1 any income from Puerto Rico you excluded, any housing exclusion foreign income you claimed (Lines 45 and 50 of Form 2555), and American Samoa residential income excluded (Line 15 of Form 4563).
Step 2: If that number is less than:
$300,000 Married Filing Jointly
$225,000 Head of Household
$150,000 Single and any other filing status
then continue to Step 3. Otherwise, you currently DO NOT qualify for any rebate, and will need to reduce that number on your 2023 Tax return below those limits. You can reduce that number by traditional 401k contributions, or some small-business options.
Step 3: Look at Line 24 on your 2022 Tax return (Form 1040).
- If it is greater than $7,500 and your income in 2023 stays the same or increase, you will get the full $7,500.
- If it is less than that, you get that amount (assuming your income stays the same). If your income increases then you may get a larger refund, up to $7,500.
In other words, in order to get the full tax credit, you must OWE at least $7500 in taxes and be under the income limits.
You absolutely CAN NOT carry over for a few years, or even one more year. It is a one time credit. Any unused credit is LOST!
Q7. Is the new clean vehicle credit refundable or able to be carried forward? (updated March 31, 2023)
A7. The new clean vehicle credit may only be claimed to the extent of reported tax due of the taxpayer and cannot be refunded. The new clean vehicle credit cannot be carried forward to the extent it is claimed for personal use on Form 1040, Schedule 3, Additional Credits and Payments.
from page 3 of this IRS document: https://www.irs.gov/pub/taxpros/fs-2023-08.pdf
* If you're concerned about battery degradation, you can take a look at this site [teslalogger.de] (Pull down the menu for Model Y LR)
* If you like to nerd out on graphs, data, and overal health of your vehicle, get a program called teslamate that can be installed on your home server. every time your car parks in your garage it will send driving telemetry data to it with pretty graphs [teslamate.org] and all.
* You can also opt to get teslausb [github.com], which can wirelessly send all your dashcam footage to your home server every time you pull into your garage.
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EV good if you have a dedicated charging station at home.
if you live in an apartment complex or condo its not as consumer friendly, unless you want to pay up the wazoo at supercharger stations and inconvenience yourself by having to go there every time to charge. Go to plugshare.com to see how much you will be paying in your area. Just multiply cents * 45kwh (assuming you're charging from 20% to 80%). For my area I would be paying $20-$25 per charge at a supercharger station. At home, with the national average electrity rate of 0.14 / kwh, it would cost $6
if you live in california, don't forget that you can also get another $2k in CVRP rebate. you get a check in the mail but the wait time is long to get it.
also don't forget about the single occupant HOV lane decal you can sign up at the DMV website.
basic autopilot is more than sufficient. autopilot still has a long ways to go imo. definitely not worth getting the advanced AP and definitely not full self driving at $15k. as MKBHD always says, don't buy a product on a promise of features yet to come.
also, make sure you setup your electricity usage to "time of use" or EV-specific plan as your bill will assuredly go up. Don't be on those tiered plans. Yes, you will end up saving money compared to ICE vehicles paying for gas, unless you get a hybrid, which is a bit more comparable, especially in areas where electricity is expensive.
additionally, people forget that you need to install a wall connector or mobile connector in your home. equipment costs $230 for the mobile connector +$45 for the nema 14-50 adapter, which is good enough especially if you do scheduled charging at night to save on electricity. installation itself will vary depending on your region and how much electricians will charge you, but it can get expensive. just make sure you're not getting ripped off as electricians are aware of the EV craze and asking for higher premiums on them. installation can go anywhere from $1k-$2k+. (according to poster SamirPD, you can ask the electrictian to install a dryer outlet and it should save you money and prevent you from being ripped off). One worthy note, EV charger and installation is tax deductible at 30%, just need to fill out the tax form [irs.gov] when you do your taxes next year. EDIT: SD poster hiro916 indicated that the 30% tax deduction only pertains to low income or rural tract areas, so YMMV [reddit.com].
as for car insurance, I'm paying $95 a month through Geico, but thats with a robust policy.
if you are impatient like me, and want to get one right away without having to wait, go to the waitingfortesla discord server [discord.com] and setup alerts for any time a Model Y drops in your local area. You have to act quick as they get snatched up relatively quickly. You can see whats in inventory on their website too [waitingfortesla.com]. Don't expect to see base model Y LR coming into inventory. If you want to pick something up quick settle for the 20 inch induction wheels (costs $2k extra) as they are more readily available. You can always sell the tires if you want to recoup some of the costs and get an aftermarket hubcap that look better than stock anyhow.
If you're interested in a real world range comparison of current popular EV's check out this YT video [youtube.com].
once you pick up your car you have 100 miles and 7 days to report any defects. panels gaps aren't as much of a problem anymore compared to years past, but be on the lookout for them. paint quality isn't so great out of the factory, mine came with swirl marks all over and had to get it paint corrected.
if you're concerned about battery degradation, you can take a look at this site [teslalogger.de] (select dropdown and look for Y LR AWD US to see the average degradation over time based on mileage. on average after 50k miles you should see about a 10% degradation, and it will degrade more slowly 50k+ miles onwards.
in terms of accessories, the only real requirement imo that you need are mud flaps. reason being is because without them, the rear passenger quarter panels will get hit with rock chips very quickly. tesmanian is a good aftermarket seller, or you can just opt for ones you see on amazon. if you want to go deeper into accessories temu is a great site for low prices compared to amazon.
if you like to nerd out on graphs, data, and overal health of your vehicle, get a program called teslamate that can be installed on your home server. every time your car parks in your garage it will send driving telemetry data to it with pretty graphs [teslamate.org] and all.
you can also opt to get teslausb [github.com], which can wirelessly send all your dashcam footage to your home server every time you pull into your garage.
my personal thoughts on ownership thus far. overall i like it. i am using it as a daily driver / commuter car. i don't think of Model Y and 3 as a 'luxury' vehicle. I see Tesla as a software company trying to be an automaker, and the legacy automakers are trying to be more like Tesla by being more tech focused. Teslas are continuously getting software updates to improve year over year. Interior build quality is spartan, and the ride quality need some improvement, especially if you are in an area with poor road conditions. if you're really into tech like me, this is the car for you. Performance vehicles I still prefer ICE cars over EV's however. first thing you will notice in an EV though, is the instant torque. that is what will grab you immediately.
If you have questions and need instant feedback join the Tesla discord, I'm active on there and other members can assist with questions you may have: https://discord.com/invite/tesla
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caveat - you can consider tax due as an interest free loan, IF you dont have a underpayment penalty and you actually invested it)
prius test drive probably takes 3 hours as a man who eats too much donuts and flunked out of college will pressure you to finance the car for $7,000 over sticker and if you dont you wasted his time.
1. You are poor (been there) thus you can't afford this car, and already don't pay taxes, in fact get free gov money, nuff said. (The gov is not giving ANYONE 7500!)
2. You make up to 150k (single) or 300k (married) then pay actual taxes (generally) so you can get 7500 of those taxes wiped off your tax bill. Assuming you already paid in and/or owe 7500, or more. The gov gave you no money!
3. You make over those limits, you either live somewhere you can't afford, or manage your money poorly, and choose to complain about your entitlement (or lack of, in this case) since you don't get the 7500.
Nobody can get mad about #2, if you manage your finances correctly, are comfortably in the middle class, you can now (maybe) afford a car that was previously out of reach.
If you are #1, stop complaining and do something about it. Maybe learn how to do your taxes and go work at H&R Block doing taxes of those too dumb to do it themselves, you've stepped up in the world and can (maybe) afford this deal.
If you're in the third group, this is where YOU should be paying more taxes anyway, so zip it, and stop being selfish.
The reason for this isn't rising manufacturing costs or inflation etc, its rising profits and corporate greed. Now its become abundantly clear that many companies raised prices during Covid not because of any difficulties but to make more profit, and they aren't coming down.
Cars should be much cheaper. Our tax dollars should be spent on public transport not giving billion dollar handouts to selfish aholes like Musk who thinks his shitty hyperloop is the future, and all he has to to do is give a few million to politicians to get his permits.
Just open the US market to foreign competition, like most foreign countries allow US carmakers to sell there. Chinese EVs sell great in Europe and NZ/Aus where they compete with Tesla, Germans, Japanese, and for lower prices.
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You need to do some homework!
And to be clear here...I am not a proponent of Tesla. But to say that you can find a comparable nice ICE suv for 30k is just a gross over-exaggeration.
And to be clear here...I am not a proponent of Tesla. But to say that you can find a comparable nice ICE suv for 30k is just a gross over-exaggeration.
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Those lists don't mean anything because they all look at starting msrp. You can't just look at some car's starting msrp. Those cheaper trim levels are trash. You have to compare mid to upper trim levels. Model Y only has a single trim level and the only major options are FSD, wheels, and paint color. That's it. So you can't compare a car with cloth seating, no heated seats, etc. Also, a third of those on the lists are subcompacts. Even some of those so-called "compacts" on the lists are noticeably smaller than the model y. So take away the subcompacts and smaller compacts, and none of those on the list with mid to high trim level costs 30k or less.
Those lists don't mean anything because they all look at starting msrp. You can't just look at some car's starting msrp. Those cheaper trim levels are trash. You have to compare mid to upper trim levels. Model Y only has a single trim level and the only major options are FSD, wheels, and paint color. That's it. So you can't compare a car with cloth seating, no heated seats, etc.
This is not a good time to be buying new cars. Prices are falling, economy sucks, new cars are a waste of money by definition due to depreciation. There are tons of used/CPO car deals suiting any budget
M3/Y are still great cars, I just think they are overpriced.
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