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Apr 22, 2023 2:51 PM
Canon Refurbished Lenses & Cameras: EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM $199, EOS RP Body
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RF 16mm f/2.8 STM @ $179.00 --- Great compact prime for RF system, very fair price. If you have zooms that are 24+, then you'll appreciate the little bit of extra width w/ solid quality this gives at a bargain price.
RF 100-400mm f/5.6-8 IS USM @ $399.00 --- Normally on sale for $550. Very quick to focus, very quiet, very stabilized lens with 5.5 stops of IS. Combine that with an IBIS-capable body, it's pretty good at this price point....even when factoring the horrible f/8 aperture. Pair this with an APS-C body (like the R7 w/ IBIS), and you'll get effective 640mm reach on a budget. A similar competitor is the Sigma 150-600mm, which goes on sale once or twice a year a $700.
EOS RP @ $599.00 --- I'm hesitant to suggest this, unless price is your only consideration. The R10 is $900-ish, the R8 replacement to the RP is $1500 and utterly blows this camera out of the water. But if max price is your only concern and you must have mirrorless, then it's not a terrible option. It was $600 in the 2022 holiday sale (w/ camera sling bag + grip extension), but the R8 wasn't announced yet. I personally feel this should be $100-200 cheaper given how many options are out there now.
EF 11-24mm f/4L USM @ $1699.00 --- Ok, this is NOT a budget option. But this is a pro-tier super-ultra-wide that has precious little distortion. If you do indoors work like architectural or real estate, this is your secret weapon. Your ace up your sleeve. You'll make this $1700 back in no time. Few wide lenses come close to this quality, and not really at this price point.
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$220 RF 24-105mm (https://www.usa.canon.c
$400 RF 100-400mm (https://www.usa.canon.c
$120 RF 50mm/1.8 -- nifty fifty (https://www.usa.canon.c
$600 RP Body (https://www.usa.canon.c
You'll get a very inexpensive (if slightly aging) full-frame body that's still regarded as pretty good.
The cons: you're giving up faster/stickier AF, faster burst rates, better video, and better low-light performance compared to the newer R8 @ $1500 (same form factor, full-frame). But at $900 less, only you can determine if any of that is a deal-breaker.
And in the future, you can upgrade to the R8 and all of the above lenses will be compatible. You can keep the RP body, or sell it. I don't have a crystal ball, but you may get $400-500 for it. Offsetting the price of the (then discounted?) R8....and you've used a nice RP all this time for a mere $100-200 cost. You can't rent a camera body for $50/year.
And you'll have two silent, quick focusing lenses -- the long of which uses Canon's nano-USM motor system. They're not "fast" optically at f/7.1 and f/8, but the aggressive on-lens IS helps eliminate handheld shake. Covering the range of 24mm to 400mm (same reach as buying 15mm-250mm labeled lenses for APS-C).
You'll have immense flexibility with these two lenses, as it covers everything from a fairly wide to telephoto. The 24-105 isn't too heavy to daily carry.
For anything needing better optical performance, you have a 50mm/1.8 (actual 50mm on a full frame, not a 50mm on a APS-C which is more like 80mm).
As time goes on, you can get a Canon EF-to-RF adapter and use any of the many awesome EF full-frame lenses that have been released since 1987, from Canon and countless other vendors. There are some real bargains and real amazing lenses to be had out there, and they'll be almost always 100% compatible with this setup.
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Other things you'll need:
1-2x additional batteries (only buy first-party canon). The RP tends to be a battery hog.
Third-party lens hood (Vello) for each lens. I strongly recommend against UV/protection filters, as they give serious ghosting/reflections from external light sources. Even expensive $70+ multicoated B+W filters are susceptible to it -- I know this personally, I've sunk more money into these pieces of glass just to ruin the image from the top tier lens I just bought. A lens hood is plenty of protection for normal use.
Camera bag of some sort (lowepro or ruggard are considered good brands, but it's highly personal).
At least 2x memory cards (about $30-40 for a v60 128gb SD, buy name-brands like Sandisk, Sony, Kingston, ProGrade, etc).
I'd also argue to get a better neckstrap, but that's a highly personal choice. Popular options are BlackRapid, Peak Design, ThinkTank, and Domke.
*Update, called Canon and they're issuing a refund. Super easy process and they are always very helpful and friendly.
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If you have the budget of $1500, consider the newer R8. It's the same form-factor as the RP (smaller body than the larger R6), but it has amazingly awesome sticky & fast AF. It's the same AF engine that's used in Canon's sport-tier R3 beast.
The R8 also has significantly better low light performance, along with with the same 40fps burst rate of the R3.
Both the RP and R8 aren't the strongest with video -- you can use them for it -- and with knowing the limitations, you can get some excellent results. But you'll find you can have an easier time from using any number of other cameras out there, especially compared to the RP.
Coming from a T2i. Planning to use existing ES lenses (with adapter).Not planning to film video.
R6 or EOS 5 mark IV ?
Thank you.
The R6 is lighter but less durable. It has better video, and it's mirrorless (quieter). It also has a flip out screen, if that sort of thing matters.
The 5DmIV is built like a tank. Nosier with a mirror flap. Much better battery life.
I think both will last you a long time -- and if video is an entire non-issue, I'd probably consider the 5D just for the build quality.
Check out reviews and comparisons of the R6, R6mk2, and R8 -- it's a much closer comparison between the R6mk2 and R8.
Unless you need an R6-only feature (or prefer the large body design), I'd lean heavily towards the R8 at this time.
If the R6 was around $1000 or the R6mk2 around $1500, then I'd be reconsidering the value proposition.
If you get the adapter, the EF-S lenses (crop) will incur a crop on the full-frame RP, effectively lowering the megapixel resolution of the image. If you're doing web, small prints, and not pixel-peeping -- you'll be entirely fine.
Get the adapter with the control ring, as you can configure it for additional functions like ISO. That costs $150-200 new, and it enables you to use any EF/EF-S lens made since 1987 with any current R-series body. That's a massive library of cheap, expensive, crappy, and amazing lenses to choose from.
Can't decide between a 50mm and 16mm without IS, or a 35mm f1.8 with...
If you have the budget of $1500, consider the newer R8. It's the same form-factor as the RP (smaller body than the larger R6), but it has amazingly awesome sticky & fast AF. It's the same AF engine that's used in Canon's sport-tier R3 beast.
The R8 also has significantly better low light performance, along with with the same 40fps burst rate of the R3.
Both the RP and R8 aren't the strongest with video -- you can use them for it -- and with knowing the limitations, you can get some excellent results. But you'll find you can have an easier time from using any number of other cameras out there, especially compared to the RP.
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The R5 is the current go-to canon for mirrorless video, though if you're dead-set on going video -- consider something like the BlackMagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K w/ a Metabones Canon EF-to-BMPCC speedbooster --- or the BlackMagic Pocket Cinema Camera 6k G2. (avoid the original 6K, it has issues. the 6k pro just has a built-in ND filter. that's the entire difference.)
By the time you kit out a BMPCC 4K w/ the speedbooster adapter, monitor, cables, cage, etc -- you'll be hitting $2000 -- but it's the best bang for the buck if you're going the video route.
I like the RF 24-240mm for this. It's a $900 beast of a lens, but it has amazingly good IS and a really decent reach with very acceptable distortion (which is corrected in-camera or in Canon's RAW photo application). The AF on this is SO snappy, it's significantly better than the RF 24-105 non-L STM.
You can always get a longer "superzoom" to 300mm or 400mm, but those are even worse optically.
I argue, if you're going to put a single lens on your camera and leave it there, this would be the one. It covers all your bases, and with the R8's 40fps burst and sticky/fast AF, it's wildlife photography on easy mode. Very flexible with all the drawbacks being mild.
The budget version of this (within the scope of this sale) would be the RP body + RF 24-105 STM lens. Slower lens focusing, not as sticky AF in the body, 5fps burst mode (at best), not as good video quality, not as good lower light performance. But that's a "kit" costing $820, whereas the R8 + RF 24-240 is $2400 (an increase of $1580).
That extra $1580 can buy a lot, if those R8 perks aren't as important.
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Anything at night will need a tripod. I don't do astrophotography, so I can't give lens suggestions. I suppose primes would be best here. Check outside review forums for suggestion on this, like dpreview (they're still open for business).
For tripods -- pffst, it depends on your budget. There are so many to choose from, new and used. Be careful of cheapening out, you kinda do get what you pay for. I could say "manfrotto is good" but you could pick up 10 different manfrottos that are trash -- they all have budget and high end models. And mid-tier models that once were good, but had a revision that cheapened out on a part and are now garbage.
And same goes for tripod heads, there are countless options. Whatever you do, buy something good as it'll last you for a very, very long time.
RF 16mm f/2.8 STM @ $179.00 --- Great compact prime for RF system, very fair price. If you have zooms that are 24+, then you'll appreciate the little bit of extra width w/ solid quality this gives at a bargain price.
RF 100-400mm f/5.6-8 IS USM @ $399.00 --- Normally on sale for $550. Very quick to focus, very quiet, very stabilized lens with 5.5 stops of IS. Combine that with an IBIS-capable body, it's pretty good at this price point....even when factoring the horrible f/8 aperture. Pair this with an APS-C body (like the R7 w/ IBIS), and you'll get effective 640mm reach on a budget. A similar competitor is the Sigma 150-600mm, which goes on sale once or twice a year a $700.
EOS 5D Mark IV @ $1499.00 --- Date the body, marry the lens. This is one of those bodies that'll go down as a classic. Built like a tank, loaded with features. Not video-focused, but for stills, you'll be hard-pressed to find a better bang for the buck. Especially at this price. DSLRs are slowly becoming antiquated due to the advances in mirrorless tech, so keep that in mind.
EOS RP @ $599.00 --- I'm hesitant to suggest this, unless price is your only consideration. The R10 is $900-ish, the R8 replacement to the RP is $1500 and utterly blows this camera out of the water. But if max price is your only concern and you must have mirrorless, then it's not a terrible option. It was $600 in the 2022 holiday sale (w/ camera sling bag + grip extension), but the R8 wasn't announced yet. I personally feel this should be $100-200 cheaper given how many options are out there now.
EF 11-24mm f/4L USM @ $1699.00 --- Marry this lens. Ok, this is NOT a budget option. But this is a pro-tier super-ultra-wide that has precious little distortion. If you do indoors work like architectural or real estate, this is your secret weapon. Your ace up your sleeve. You'll make this $1700 back in no time. Few wide lenses come close to this quality, and not really at this price point.
I have a Nikon D300 from 2007, bought it new at $1800. You can get a used D300 for $100-150 today. So sure! You can save a LOT of money....if you want to wait 16 years! ....on second thought, life is short and I'd rather not play that game.
[here's a thing -- that D300, being 16 years old, still takes AMAZING quality stills that are beautiful small prints, web, etc -- you simply cannot tell which camera they came from. A camera like that + a good prime lens (35mm/50mm/85mm f/1.4 through f/2.8), you'll have more of a camera than any beginner needs. And better than any entry level big box store DSLR or cell phone.]
There's a saying that I said above -- date the body, marry the lens. Lenses generally retain their value, and the EF mount has been around since 1987. There are SO many used lenses to choose from, which are easily adapted to the R series with a $100 EF-to-RF adapter from Canon. Zero loss of functionality.
If you don't have anything and your needs aren't exacting, the RP was a great body when it came out, and it'll do you very well for several years as you hone your technique. Save the extra cash and put it towards experiences to actually take pictures.
I have a Nikon D300 from 2007, bought it new at $1800. You can get a used D300 for $100-150 today. So sure! You can save a LOT of money....if you want to wait 16 years! ....on second thought, life is short and I'd rather not play that game.
[here's a thing -- that D300, being 16 years old, still takes AMAZING quality stills that are beautiful small prints, web, etc -- you simply cannot tell which camera they came from. A camera like that + a good prime lens (35mm/50mm/85mm f/1.4 through f/2.8), you'll have more of a camera than any beginner needs. And better than any entry level big box store DSLR or cell phone.]
There's a saying that I said above -- date the body, marry the lens. Lenses generally retain their value, and the EF mount has been around since 1987. There are SO many used lenses to choose from, which are easily adapted to the R series with a $100 EF-to-RF adapter from Canon. Zero loss of functionality.
If you don't have anything and your needs aren't exacting, the RP was a great body when it came out, and it'll do you very well for several years as you hone your technique. Save the extra cash and put it towards experiences to actually take pictures.
The T7i is a very capable entry-body if paired with a good lens.
It's your call, but I think you might be able to get awesome shots with a mere $100-150 lens than shelling out $600 + new lenses/adapter.
If you value a strong zoom, check out the Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM (used for $220-300). It's not one of the lenses on sale here, so shop around elsewhere for it -- but it's a nano-USM focusing lens, so it'll focus really quickly.
It's not as fast as a prime, but for a walkaround lens, it has a very good range from 18mm wide to 135mm moderate telephoto. You'll absolutely need to bump up your ISO to use it effectively, so try it out around the house in lower light to get a feel for how much ISO noise (grainy noise) is acceptable.
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The T7i is a very capable entry-body if paired with a good lens.
It's your call, but I think you might be able to get awesome shots with a mere $100-150 lens than shelling out $600 + new lenses/adapter.
If you value a strong zoom, check out the Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM (used for $220-300). It's not one of the lenses on sale here, so shop around elsewhere for it -- but it's a nano-USM focusing lens, so it'll focus really quickly.
It's not as fast as a prime, but for a walkaround lens, it has a very good range from 18mm wide to 135mm moderate telephoto. You'll absolutely need to bump up your ISO to use it effectively, so try it out around the house in lower light to get a feel for how much ISO noise (grainy noise) is acceptable.
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