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U.S. Treasury: Short Term Treasury Bills (4-Week-52-Week Maturity) Up to

5.50% Interest

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Note: Rates are subject to change daily; rates are the daily secondary market quotations on the most recently auctioned Treasury Bills for each maturity tranche (4-week, 8-week, 13-week, 17-week, 26-week, and 52-week) for which Treasury currently issues new bills. Up to Date Rates can be found here (scroll to bottom of list)

U.S. Government Treasury is offering Up to 5.499% Coupon Rate (Interest Rate) on Short Term Treasury Bills which can be Purchased for a Duration of 4-Weeks-52 Weeks Maturity.

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Note, if interested, you may choose to purchase Treasury Bills through your preferred Brokerage Firm

Example Current Rates (8/9/23): (Coupon Rates [Interest Rates] change daily):
  • 13-Week Maturity: 5.451%
  • 26-Week Maturity: 5.499%
  • 52-Week Maturity: 5.351%

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Written by slickdewmaster | Staff
  • About this Offer:
    • Interest paid: When the bill matures
    • Minimum purchase : $100
    • In increments of: $100
    • Maximum purchase: $10 million (non-competitive bid)
    • Auction frequency:
      • Every four weeks for 52-week bills
      • Weekly for 4, 8, 13, 17, 26-week bills
      • No regular schedule for Cash Management Bills
      • See the Auction calendar for specific date
      • More Info
    • Taxes: Federal tax due on interest earned. No state or local taxes
  • Refer to forum thread for discussion from the community regarding this offer. -slickdewmaster

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Note: Rates are subject to change daily; rates are the daily secondary market quotations on the most recently auctioned Treasury Bills for each maturity tranche (4-week, 8-week, 13-week, 17-week, 26-week, and 52-week) for which Treasury currently issues new bills. Up to Date Rates can be found here (scroll to bottom of list)

U.S. Government Treasury is offering Up to 5.499% Coupon Rate (Interest Rate) on Short Term Treasury Bills which can be Purchased for a Duration of 4-Weeks-52 Weeks Maturity.

Thanks community member chunmanc123 for sharing this deal

Note, if interested, you may choose to purchase Treasury Bills through your preferred Brokerage Firm

Example Current Rates (8/9/23): (Coupon Rates [Interest Rates] change daily):
  • 13-Week Maturity: 5.451%
  • 26-Week Maturity: 5.499%
  • 52-Week Maturity: 5.351%

Editor's Notes

Written by slickdewmaster | Staff
  • About this Offer:
    • Interest paid: When the bill matures
    • Minimum purchase : $100
    • In increments of: $100
    • Maximum purchase: $10 million (non-competitive bid)
    • Auction frequency:
      • Every four weeks for 52-week bills
      • Weekly for 4, 8, 13, 17, 26-week bills
      • No regular schedule for Cash Management Bills
      • See the Auction calendar for specific date
      • More Info
    • Taxes: Federal tax due on interest earned. No state or local taxes
  • Refer to forum thread for discussion from the community regarding this offer. -slickdewmaster

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To clarify...

Treasury BILLS are currently paying over 5% for various maturity lengths under 1 year. These can be bought through most brokerages even without a TreasuryDirect account.

Treasury BONDS are paying 4% or less and have 20 or 30 year terms.
Have learned so much on this site so am trying to return the favor with what I've learned that I don't see anyone else talking about.

The 4 week bill ordering opens tomorrow 8/8, the deadline to buy it is sometime Thursday 8/10 morning depending on where you are buying it and it settles on 8/15.

On TD Ameritrade, they take your money on the 10th (take it out of the money you can trade with when you hit purchase which can be as early as the 8th) and buy the bill on the 15th during time which you earn no interest. Thus the reason that I stopped buying 4 and 8 week bills at auction. Secondary markets settle the next day so often a better deal. Treasury direct does not take the money from your bank account till the day it settles and Vanguard keeps it in the settlement fund earning interest till the day it settles as well. Not sure about the other brokerage houses. Also, not sure if you rollover the t-bills how the time between redemption and the next auction works as far as any interest you are losing as that is often a week of interest as well.

FYI, if you do the math, 4 weeks for $10,000 usually gets you about $40 in interest for letting them hold your money for 5 weeks.

The Monday auctions for 3 months and six months settle on Thursday so much less time to hold your money for nothing and less redemption downtime.

The money market funds often have repurchase agreements that are taxed at the state and local level but obviously more liquid. Am looking into the ETFs now.

Good luck to everyone!
If Fidelity goes bust you still own the T-Bills and the government will pay you or whatever brokerage house the T-Bills are transferred to in your name. There is also SIPC insurance which covers you for fraud in case Fidelity didn't actually buy it for you and ran away with the money. Technically the limit you are covered for is $500,000 but all the brokerages have excess insurance which is for a very large amount. Usually over $50 million per person. You can check with each of the brokerages to see what they cover though the people who answer the phone don't often know about this as they are just reading from a script.

FYI, to the person who asked about the 100,000 for three months. If you did the 13 week auction today you would get $1338 in interest at the end of the three months. Prorated per annum as per the person who posted above stated
Technically, you would pay $98,662 for the bonds and get $100,000 on November 9th. The difference between what you pay now and what the bonds are redeemed for in November is considered the interest.

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Quote from SplendidHome1945 :
soo if i invest 100k, i get almost 5k back in 3 months. is that correct? seems too good
No. That's not how it works. These interest rates are per annum. You get a prorated interest for the duration of your deposit.
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Quote from SplendidHome1945 :
soo if i invest 100k, i get almost 5k back in 3 months. is that correct? seems too good
At TD you buy at a specified auction discount rate per $100. Multiply that number times 1000 for your total purchase price. At maturity the T-Bill pays you back a full $100k. The $100k minus purchase price per $100 x 1000 is your return on investment. The return is computed by APY, not yield for the term.
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Quote from SplendidHome1945 :
soo if i invest 100k, i get almost 5k back in 3 months. is that correct? seems too good

More like about 1/4 of that (rates are annual, but you're only giving them $$ for 1/4 of a year).
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Interesting. So to clarify, if I buy my T-Bills using a Fidelity account and Fidelity goes bust before the maturity date, how do I get my money back? ThanksIf they
If Fidelity goes bust you still own the T-Bills and the government will pay you or whatever brokerage house the T-Bills are transferred to in your name. There is also SIPC insurance which covers you for fraud in case Fidelity didn't actually buy it for you and ran away with the money. Technically the limit you are covered for is $500,000 but all the brokerages have excess insurance which is for a very large amount. Usually over $50 million per person. You can check with each of the brokerages to see what they cover though the people who answer the phone don't often know about this as they are just reading from a script.

FYI, to the person who asked about the 100,000 for three months. If you did the 13 week auction today you would get $1338 in interest at the end of the three months. Prorated per annum as per the person who posted above stated
Technically, you would pay $98,662 for the bonds and get $100,000 on November 9th. The difference between what you pay now and what the bonds are redeemed for in November is considered the interest.
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If Fidelity goes bust you still own the T-Bills and the government will pay you or whatever brokerage house the T-Bills are transferred to in your name. There is also SIPC insurance which covers you for fraud in case Fidelity didn't actually buy it for you and ran away with the money. Technically the limit you are covered for is $500,000 but all the brokerages have excess insurance which is for a very large amount. Usually over $50 million per person. You can check with each of the brokerages to see what they cover though the people who answer the phone don't often know about this as they are just reading from a script.
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Also to note, interest earned from TBills are exempt from state and local income taxes. You only get taxed on the federal level. Great for high income tax states such as CA where it's hovering just a bit over 13% at the top end.
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Quote from if200 :
Have learned so much on this site so am trying to return the favor with what I've learned that I don't see anyone else talking about.

The 4 week bill ordering opens tomorrow 8/8, the deadline to buy it is sometime Thursday 8/10 morning depending on where you are buying it and it settles on 8/15.

On TD Ameritrade, they take your money on the 10th (take it out of the money you can trade with when you hit purchase which can be as early as the 8th) and buy the bill on the 15th during time which you earn no interest. Thus the reason that I stopped buying 4 and 8 week bills at auction. Secondary markets settle the next day so often a better deal. Treasury direct does not take the money from your bank account till the day it settles and Vanguard keeps it in the settlement fund earning interest till the day it settles as well. Not sure about the other brokerage houses. Also, not sure if you rollover the t-bills how the time between redemption and the next auction works as far as any interest you are losing as that is often a week of interest as well.

FYI, if you do the math, 4 weeks for $10,000 usually gets you about $40 in interest for letting them hold your money for 5 weeks.

The Monday auctions for 3 months and six months settle on Thursday so much less time to hold your money for nothing and less redemption downtime.

The money market funds often have repurchase agreements that are taxed at the state and local level but obviously more liquid. Am looking into the ETFs now.

Good luck to everyone!
"The 4 week bill ordering opens tomorrow 8/8, the deadline to buy it is sometime Thursday 8/10 morning depending on where you are buying it and it settles on 8/15."
I'm new to this, what is it meam? So you can start topurchase the T-bill on the 8th until the 10th and interest start on the 15th, Is this correct in my understanding?
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T-Bills are govt insured, not sure if Fidelity or other brokerages are. That is very important for me.
T-Bills are not insured. They are backed by the full faith and credit of the US Govt. If you don't get paid back on those bills, you have bigger things to worry about.

The other brokerages are not insured, either. They do, however, have SIPC coverage. And cash sweeps will also have FDIC protection.
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The US treasury posts their results and info about upcoming T-Bill auctions online:

https://www.treasurydirect.gov/au...a-results/
https://home.treasury.gov/system/...hedule.pdf
https://www.treasurydirect.gov/au.../upcoming/

While your brokerage likely offers them fee-free, there really is no reason to go through them if you plan on holding the T-Bills to maturity. Treasury Direct may not be the slickest site out there, but it works and it is fairly easy to use once you set up you bank account with them. Money is deposited the day it matures and you can setup up multiple re-investments of the same amount and maturity so they will basically repurchase a new T-bill of the same amount and maturity for you when it comes due and put the remaining interest earned into your bank account. The only thing you need to remember is that T-bills are sold at a discount reflecting the anticipated interest earned at the rate given over the period. When they mature, you get the full value of the T-Bill.

There really is no reason to be messing around with CDs offering less and state and local taxable or with ETFs using 1-3 month bonds with less of a return and some risk imo....none imo.

At some point when interest rates may start to come down a long term CD might make sense, but all signs point to the Fed to continue to raise rates for awhile.
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just got a cd with a 5.3 percent interest...the only advantage I see is the state tax.
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Quote from robrob777 :
The feedback on this website is that they lock your account periodically.. I use a broker to buy these(vanguard) no problems in 7 yrs
Been using Treasury Direct for over 20 years. Never a problem.
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Quote from BluegrassPicker :
4 week T-Bill auction is tomorrow (8-8). Previous auction result was 5.385%.

It is extremely easy to buy T-Bills once your TD account is set up and you have a bank account for the source of the funding linked.

T-Bills are govt insured, not sure if Fidelity or other brokerages are. That is very important for me.
I had hard time trying to figure out td and t bills all the ones I saw required you to buy 100 minimum at $1000 each

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Quote from DogAndPony :
I buy t bills on Fidelity and use auto roll, which works just as well. TreasuryDirect is terrible though, yes.
Treasury direct is very easy to navigate and purchase. With Fidelity I'm never sure what I'm purchasing. If I enter a CUSIP, it has different dates than I am expecting. I'm intending to do some index fund investing, so I'll stick with Fidelity for that, but all of my treasury stuff is through treasury direct. I simply don't understand how somebody could find it more complicated or less easy than the Fidelity website, but that's just me.
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