expiredcybertronicify posted Aug 12, 2023 10:41 PM
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expiredcybertronicify posted Aug 12, 2023 10:41 PM
FIRMAN W01682F 2000/1600W Recoil Start Inverter Generator (Refurbished)
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Agreed. I bought a Chinese inverter to power the fridge and other items in the house when I replaced the 200 amp main service panel. Paid ~$250 for the inv gen and it saved me $3,000+ compared to the bids that electricians gave to replace the panel. 4 years later and that Chinese inv gen still works great for PGE power outages.
Also, these small inv gen are great if you live in acreage. I have moved it around my property to power an electric pole saw and an angle grinder and soldering iron when installing a driveway gate 250 ft from the house. No need to spend more money on cordless tools. hahaha
25% of 1600w is 400w.
So, in 9 hours continuous run at 400w, you extracted. 3600wh of energy
So, 1 gallon ($5 per gallon) can give you 3600wh.
Now compare this to Ecoflow Delta Pro. If it's fully charged, it has 3600wh stored energy. How much does it cost to fully charge it?
Say 25 cents per kwh.. so you will only spend less than a dollar to fully charge an Ecoflow Delta Pro and you will get the same amount of energy stored.
Summary:
1 gallon gets you 3600wh of energy using this generator. That's $5.
If you fully charge an Ecoflow Delta Pro, you also get to store 3600wh of energy, but you will only spend less than a dollar. Free if you charge it using solar.
PS:
This is just a rough calculation. There are many other things to consider such as Efficiency and they are not factored in. Also, consider the price of each. Not saying this or that is better, I am just showing comparison.
Maybe you can make it last 5 years, maybe you can make it last 10 years if you never forget to keep it charged, but at some point it will die and then your fuel costs include the unit cost itself because the fuel was the batteries.
If you paid say $1500 for that portable solar unit and it lasted 5 years because you forgot to keep it charged one winter, that means you spent $300 a year on fuel, the batteries are the fuel. If you paid $3000 for that unit and it lasted 10 years it's still $300 a year on fuel.
The best off grid solution I have found is a combination of both good generators and good batteries. You don't need to spend as much on batteries if you have a generator and you don't have to spend as much on gas if you have batteries to combine with it.
If I ever get around to cleaning the carb on that first one I bought I bet it will still work.
I don't even keep up on oil changes I just sort of beat the snot out of them and they keep going.
I don't like them all equally though, they don't all equally live up to their specifications, My pulsar branded 2300 is my favorite, my cummins branded 2000w chinese generator is my least favorite. I paid like twice the price for the cummins brand name, maybe close to 3x as much before I realized it's just a rebranded chinese unit no better than any other.
Honda and yamaha are the two true high end portable generators, anything else is usually a chinese clone.
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Maybe you can make it last 5 years, maybe you can make it last 10 years if you never forget to keep it charged, but at some point it will die and then your fuel costs include the unit cost itself because the fuel was the batteries.
If you paid say $1500 for that portable solar unit and it lasted 5 years because you forgot to keep it charged one winter, that means you spent $300 a year on fuel, the batteries are the fuel. If you paid $3000 for that unit and it lasted 10 years it's still $300 a year on fuel.
The best off grid solution I have found is a combination of both good generators and good batteries. You don't need to spend as much on batteries if you have a generator and you don't have to spend as much on gas if you have batteries to combine with it.
Like I said and you've quoted it, I am not here to judge which one is better. I just did the math.
25% of 1600w is 400w.
So, in 9 hours continuous run at 400w, you extracted. 3600wh of energy
So, 1 gallon ($5 per gallon) can give you 3600wh.
Now compare this to Ecoflow Delta Pro. If it's fully charged, it has 3600wh stored energy. How much does it cost to fully charge it?
Say 25 cents per kwh.. so you will only spend less than a dollar to fully charge an Ecoflow Delta Pro and you will get the same amount of energy stored.
Summary:
1 gallon gets you 3600wh of energy using this generator. That's $5.
If you fully charge an Ecoflow Delta Pro, you also get to store 3600wh of energy, but you will only spend less than a dollar. Free if you charge it using solar.
PS:
This is just a rough calculation. There are many other things to consider such as Efficiency and they are not factored in. Also, consider the price of each. Not saying this or that is better, I am just showing comparison.
I have this, a 2k Wen and a 5k dual fuel generator and I spent less than the Honda.
25% of 1600w is 400w.
So, in 9 hours continuous run at 400w, you extracted. 3600wh of energy
So, 1 gallon ($5 per gallon) can give you 3600wh.
Now compare this to Ecoflow Delta Pro. If it's fully charged, it has 3600wh stored energy. How much does it cost to fully charge it?
Say 25 cents per kwh.. so you will only spend less than a dollar to fully charge an Ecoflow Delta Pro and you will get the same amount of energy stored.
Summary:
1 gallon gets you 3600wh of energy using this generator. That's $5.
If you fully charge an Ecoflow Delta Pro, you also get to store 3600wh of energy, but you will only spend less than a dollar. Free if you charge it using solar.
PS:
This is just a rough calculation. There are many other things to consider such as Efficiency and they are not factored in. Also, consider the price of each. Not saying this or that is better, I am just showing comparison.
How much is that time worth, when you need (or want) to be back up and running in minutes? So many variables to factor in on that cost when it comes to downtime.
Pouring in another gallon of fuel should only take a minute and then back up and running.
How much is that time worth, when you need (or want) to be back up and running in minutes? So many variables to factor in on that cost when it comes to downtime.
Pouring in another gallon of fuel should only take a minute and then back up and running.
For 1 Gallon of gas, it will only last you 9 hrs whether you plug just your phone or not. The Ecoflow Delta Pro can retain its charge for months if you only want to use it to charge your phone or other mini but critical electronic devices.
You can use Ecoflow Delta Pro during nighttime when you want quiet nights. You really don't want to go outside at night and turn on your gas generator just for a light, right?
There are campsites where you cannot use gas generators.
On a road trip, would you be able to turn your gas generator inside your car?
Ther are many pros and cons of both: they actually do not compete with each other; you have to have both as the other guy said. They complement each other not compete each other.
Again, like I said, I am not here to say this or that is better.
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For 1 Gallon of gas, it will only last you 9 hrs whether you plug just your phone or not. The Ecoflow Delta Pro can retain its charge for months if you only want to use it to charge your phone or other mini but critical electronic devices.
You can charge Ecoflow Delta Pro using solar panels, or using your car's 12 volts. Or go to EV charging stations and charge it for an hour.
For 48 hrs of no electricity, you will need around 5 gallons of gas to continously run your generator whether you plug anything or not.
You can also use your EDPro at night inside your house and not to worry about theft. Your generator has to run outside, isn't it? Also, you wake up at night, would you go outside to turn on your generator just for a light? Isn't that very inconvenient?
Again, not saying this or that is better. You need to have both.
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