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forum thread Posted by AmusedScent305 • Sep 7, 2023
forum thread Posted by AmusedScent305 • Sep 7, 2023

Rikon 10” Portable Jobsite Table Saw $237 AR @ Menards - $237

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UPDATE: Sale price is now $269 which brings the price down to $236.72 with 12% rebate through December 25 factored in.

Didn't see this posted yet, but same saw is listed on sale direct from Rikon for $499.99. Regular price at Menards is $337, on sale for $302, and 11% rebate brings price down to $269. Shipping to store is FREE.

Highlights:
Right hand rip capacity of 28"
Built in rear table extension to support longer materials
Built in wheels
Variable speeds (2000-4200RPM)
Rack and pinion fence and blade lift
Supports up to a 13/16" dado

I don't have this particular saw, so I can't speak to its performance or accuracy, but it looks to be a clone of the Dewalt 7491 saw for less than half the price.


https://www.menards.com/main/p-16...723944.htm
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UPDATE: Sale price is now $269 which brings the price down to $236.72 with 12% rebate through December 25 factored in.

Didn't see this posted yet, but same saw is listed on sale direct from Rikon for $499.99. Regular price at Menards is $337, on sale for $302, and 11% rebate brings price down to $269. Shipping to store is FREE.

Highlights:
Right hand rip capacity of 28"
Built in rear table extension to support longer materials
Built in wheels
Variable speeds (2000-4200RPM)
Rack and pinion fence and blade lift
Supports up to a 13/16" dado

I don't have this particular saw, so I can't speak to its performance or accuracy, but it looks to be a clone of the Dewalt 7491 saw for less than half the price.


https://www.menards.com/main/p-16...723944.htm

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$191 shipping charge to the Golden State and $2.80 online order processing fee
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Quote from miuwu :
$191 shipping charge to the Golden State and $2.80 online order processing fee
Shipping to home will vary and always hurts Menards deals. Even though I have a store 20 minutes from me, shipping to my house is $116. But even with that figured in and no rebate, it's $418 which is still an $80+ savings vs buying direct from Rikon on sale, and almost $250 cheaper than the MSRP of the Dewalt saw it is based on. Thanks for pointing out the high shipping costs, though!
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Quote from AmusedScent305 :
Shipping to home will vary and always hurts Menards deals. Even though I have a store 20 minutes from me, shipping to my house is $116. But even with that figured in and no rebate, it's $418 which is still an $80+ savings vs buying direct from Rikon on sale, and almost $250 cheaper than the MSRP of the Dewalt saw it is based on. Thanks for pointing out the high shipping costs, though!
So is this a dewalt knockoff?
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Quote from notslow :
So is this a dewalt knockoff?
Not a "knock-off" in the cheap junk sense, no. Rikon is considered a "mid-tier" manufacturer with good value per dollar compared to other brands. I'd say they're probably best known for bandsaws, but this saw is just in a similar class to the Dewalt 7491 with many similar features at a lower price.
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Quote from AmusedScent305 :
Not a "knock-off" in the cheap junk sense, no. Rikon is considered a "mid-tier" manufacturer with good value per dollar compared to other brands. I'd say they're probably best known for bandsaws, but this saw is just in a similar class to the Dewalt 7491 with many similar features at a lower price.
Oh okay, so similar, but not a cloan. Parts aren't interchangeable?
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Oh okay, so similar, but not a cloan. Parts aren't interchangeable?
Highly doubt it. Perhaps "clone" was the wrong word-choice, though (this is the first deal I've posted). I only mention the Dewalt for comparison sake: similar saws with similar features and similar quality for very different prices.
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No, the 11% rebate does NOT bring the price down to $269, it leaves you with store credit. Not the same thing, no matter how many asterisk-laden ads Menard's runs. This is misleading, even if regular Menard's customers are used to it.
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Quote from SethW8811 :
No, the 11% rebate does NOT bring the price down to $269, it leaves you with store credit. Not the same thing, no matter how many asterisk-laden ads Menard's runs. This is misleading, even if regular Menard's customers are used to it.
Fair; which is why I replied later that even without the "rebate" applied and including shipping to my doorstep, it's still over $80 less than buying the same saw on sale directly from Rikon.

For those who don't know, a Menards Rebate is a "merchandise credit check" that is valid in-store only and not redeemable for cash. You could probably sell it online at a slightly reduced rate though since the credit never expires.

Simply put: If you don't have a Menards near you, this deal is likely not for you.
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This looks like the WEN saw at Home Depot or Lowes:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/WEN-1.../321791552

The WEN saw doesn't look like having variable speed and stand is not included.
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Looks like a decent deal for what it is - a mid tier portable saw for the price of an entry level saw. It's bigger than saws at this price point and it has a rack & pinion fence and allows for a dado blade. If you're lucky, Rikon made a decent saw, marketed it weakly, and nobody bought it in a crowded market - let's face it, nobody's going to buy a Rikon at sticker when the Dewalt is the same price. It's also possible that the saw sucks, and it's hard to get a clear sense given the lack of reviews. Note that one shortcoming is you can't move the fence to the left of the blade.

If I had a Menard's near me I'd probably buy it, given my dissatisfaction with the saws I cheaped out on by buying used. Hoping this sale spreads and maybe turns up on Amazon next.
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Quote from abovethelaw :
Looks like a decent deal for what it is - a mid tier portable saw for the price of an entry level saw. It's bigger than saws at this price point and it has a rack & pinion fence and allows for a dado blade. If you're lucky, Rikon made a decent saw, marketed it weakly, and nobody bought it in a crowded market - let's face it, nobody's going to buy a Rikon at sticker when the Dewalt is the same price. It's also possible that the saw sucks, and it's hard to get a clear sense given the lack of reviews. Note that one shortcoming is you can't move the fence to the left of the blade.

If I had a Menard's near me I'd probably buy it, given my dissatisfaction with the saws I cheaped out on by buying used. Hoping this sale spreads and maybe turns up on Amazon next.
Are you sure this one can take a dado?
That and the little outfeed might make a reasonable upgrade from my DeWalt version that can't run a dado
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Are you sure this one can take a dado?
That and the little outfeed might make a reasonable upgrade from my DeWalt version that can't run a dado
From the product description on Menards (which is copied directly from Rikontools.com site) it says it is capable of cutting up to a 13/16" dado.

I don't see that Rikon sells a dado plate insert for it currently though, so you'll want to call their customer service or you might be waiting a bit to get one or out of luck on any easy solution.
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Anyone happen to get one of these? Reviews really are nonexistent…
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Quote from AmusedScent305 :
From the product description on Menards (which is copied directly from Rikontools.com site) it says it is capable of cutting up to a 13/16" dado.

I don't see that Rikon sells a dado plate insert for it currently though, so you'll want to call their customer service or you might be waiting a bit to get one or out of luck on any easy solution.
I'm probably going to pull the trigger on this as I have table saw envy and lots of Menards store credit. I've long eyed the Dewalt that runs $550 - $600 (or occaionally lower), it is a great saw, I can testify from first hand experience, but that's too steep to justify for my limited usage.

I tried looking for reviews or at least some info. I have a hunch this saw is also rebranded as the Oliver 10010. Woodcraft seems to sell both this Rikon and the Oliver. They appear identical at least at first glance.
Rikon 11-600S [woodcraft.com]
Oliver 10010 [woodcraft.com]

Oliver sells a Dado insert for the 10010 but it's $90 LINK [olivermachinery.net]

The Oliver isn't widely reviewed but I did find this one. [toolboxbuzz.com]

Comments on that review mention this might also be rebranded as the Grizzly G0869 without stand or G0870 with stand. That model has a fair amount of reviews - Manufacturer [grizzly.com] or at Home Depot [homedepot.com]. It seems it doesn't include the bundled sanding disc and only has a 1 year warranty.

And Grizzly sells a Dado insert for it that appears identical, and it's only $31. LINK [grizzly.com]

I had never heard of any of these brands until seeing this post and digging around. It seems Oliver focuses on "woodshop-quality" tools, so it stands to reason that if they wanted to get a 10" jobsite saw on the market (a very popular market) that they would do a rebrand.

But one probably shouldn't discount the possibility that they aren't identical but only share some parts, like the shell, exterior, etc. E.G. the WEN saw linked above from HD also appears identical but has differnent specs listed for the motor (higher 4800 RPM but not variable speed).

I am out of my element here but do you think, of all the parts, the motor is probably one that would be reasonably likely to vary beween rebrands/production runs? Seems feasible to me.
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Quote from MaKlounkee :
I'm probably going to pull the trigger on this as I have table saw envy and lots of Menards store credit. I've long eyed the Dewalt that runs $550 - $600 (or occaionally lower), it is a great saw, I can testify from first hand experience, but that's too steep to justify for my limited usage.

I tried looking for reviews or at least some info. I have a hunch this saw is also rebranded as the Oliver 10010. Woodcraft seems to sell both this Rikon and the Oliver. They appear identical at least at first glance.
Rikon 11-600S [woodcraft.com]
Oliver 10010 [woodcraft.com]

Oliver sells a Dado insert for the 10010 but it's $90 LINK [olivermachinery.net]

The Oliver isn't widely reviewed but I did find this one. [toolboxbuzz.com]

Comments on that review mention this might also be rebranded as the Grizzly G0869 without stand or G0870 with stand. That model has a fair amount of reviews - Manufacturer [grizzly.com] or at Home Depot [homedepot.com]. It seems it doesn't include the bundled sanding disc and only has a 1 year warranty.

And Grizzly sells a Dado insert for it that appears identical, and it's only $31. LINK [grizzly.com]

I had never heard of any of these brands until seeing this post and digging around. It seems Oliver focuses on "woodshop-quality" tools, so it stands to reason that if they wanted to get a 10" jobsite saw on the market (a very popular market) that they would do a rebrand.

But one probably shouldn't discount the possibility that they aren't identical but only share some parts, like the shell, exterior, etc. E.G. the WEN saw linked above from HD also appears identical but has differnent specs listed for the motor (higher 4800 RPM but not variable speed).

I am out of my element here but do you think, of all the parts, the motor is probably one that would be reasonably likely to vary beween rebrands/production runs? Seems feasible to me.
I would say you're correct to assume that the motor would be the primary difference in rebrands since it's the most expensive component. Different features like variable speeds, higher/lower RPM, in-house vs. outsourced manufacturer, or country of origin being the driving factors.

Another possibility is just the overall tolerances of the saw: a tool with tolerances out of spec for one brand's badge may be perfectly acceptable for another brand owned by the same company (think DeWalt vs. Black and Decker). That way they still have a tool to sell and aren't just scrapping entire production runs because they're all out of tolerance by 0.030".

Sometimes it's a material thing too—color of the cabinet, whether it is plastic or metal, material of the table, etc. but I would think that would drive price to a lesser extent since those costs are basically fixed.
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