https://www.tesla.com/modely/design#overview
Tesla Model Y
Dual Motor
All-Wheel Drive
Range: 330mi
Top Speed: 135 mph
0-60 mph: 4.8 seconds
Qualify for $7500 Federal Tax Credit with below income cap:
Adjusted Gross Income Limitations
$300,000 for married couples filing jointly
$225,000 for heads of households
$150,000 for all other filers
QA Note: List Price Drop
Rear-Wheel Drive is $43,990
Dual Motor AWD Long Range is $48,490 Now $48,990
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Time stopping to charge: 30 minutes. Time equals money. So you lose precious time of your life. What is that worth? In Palm Desert I sat for 45 minutes just to get to a spot to charge in June with my Hertz rental. Then 20 minutes to charge. This was just so I could get back home.
Then when turning the car back in, had to wait for a spot to charge, then 10 more minutes to charge.
Gas zero stops on my trip until destination and 5 minute fill up to return.
Time is money. Time you don't get back in life.
After a few years government will tax EVs for every mile driven since they will begin losing too much gas tax. So fuel savings may evaporate.
Live in an apartment with 4 people and 2 cars. Where do you plug in?
Current CAa building code required 2 EV chargers for every 25 spaces. Good luck.
Drive on freeway and use the AC, expect to lose 25% range.
Leave car for a few weeks to go on vacation, check in it in apps and lose range
Tires wear out 25% faster casting more road debris. Not as good as the clean air though to be fair.
Parking garages need retrofits of more than 20% EV mix due to weight.
Faster road deterioration.
Constant plugging in and out. Ugh.
Toyota Corolla hybrid $24k. Save over 18k.
Over ,600 mile range
Gas savings over first few years for EV is maybe $500 or so for average driver. Maybe $1k.
Oil changes etc maybe $2k???
My 2002 Civic total cost on all receipts is $2.4k over all those years.
I want an EV, but not until they have more range and can charge more easily.
No way CA will be ending ICE in a few years. Not feasible yet.
Gas savings will end. Trust me. Government always will get their tax money they need for all their pet projects.
All this said, they are eager for the occupants, but not for who they hit.
Be careful with tax credit. It's not refundable. Need to make about $110k or so as married couple with no other deductions to get it all.
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As already cited.
Why?
Most can charge at home for nearly all their miles- which is superior in time, cost, and convince to gas stations.
I agree there's a MINORITY that's not true for today, but for most they can.
But you can't. As I mention they sell in an entire quarter what Tesla sells in 2 days.
They don't make very many- and they don't sell very many. And the dealers gouge you when you CAN find one. Multiple people have mentioned that previously in the thread.
It's not like Toyota couldn't make MILLIONS of them if they wanted-- but they don't. Why do you imagine that is?
Same reason every 3 years since like 2009 Toyota has issued a press release about their MAGIC SOLID STATE EV COMING IN A COUPLE YEARS that doesn't exist. They want to scare people into not buying EVs because they know they don't have any worth buying.
Why would I have to do that? They're like every 50 miles or less on any major highway anymore, nothing to "plan" for... and the car already tells you when and where to stop as part of your route automatically.
Thanks for making it clear you've 0 experience with the topic though!
Tacoma Hybrids have 300hp, Rav4 Prime Hybrids do too. These aren't your grandpa's Prius' anymore, they're 4th gen. Lol worst of both worlds, from the guy who owns a Tesla and has to plan road trips around charging stations. GTFOH
And by all means keep buying them. I wouldn't own a Tesla but they've done wonders for my portfolio. I have a Cybertruck reservation, a low number reservation - I'll post back when I get it and will sell it to the highest, most impatient bidder, Dual motor, FYI.
Demand is dropping off fast. If not for tax credits or price reductions no one wants them
Also we can laugh as people spend $1k for a charger installed at the house to save on gas. Turn when EVs are taxed per mile we get to laugh.
EVs are disposable cars, Elon stated so.
So they need to cost under $20k or even less.
Toyota Corolla loses about $1k per year. Maybe less. And gets more range.
Most Americans do not live in a house or what to pay another $1k for dual charger and then brag about saving on gas. Ha!
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Fast Charging requires a 480-volt panel. And that could be expensive.
In normal use you stop for 5-10 minutes 1-2 times a week to put gas in.
With an EV you stop like that for 0 minutes and just plug in at home and it's ready to go every morning.
That means ICE cars waste far more time all year
Now, when you take a road trip over a couple hundred miles you will need to stop and charge. But again not 30 minutes unless you don't understand how an EV works.
You want to charge for 10-15 minutes, which will put 150-180 miles of range back on the car. then get back on the road.
In an LR Tesla that gets you ~500 miles down the road with the single stop--- nearer 650 miles with a second 10-15 minute stop.
Which you'd do ANYWAY in a gas car unless you're bringing a Gatorade bottle to pee in and never stopping for food or drinks.
Plus, again, all the time you saved the OTHER 50 weeks of the year NOT on a road trip not ever having to stop at a gas station.
Not a Tesla I guess?
Again though over the course of a year you'd have saved far far far more than 45 minutes not stopping at gas stations week to week either way.
How would they do that since lots of states don't require inspections and have no idea how many miles you drove?
I'd like to see your math here--- unless you imagine 90% of gas price is tax.
No idea- but roughly 2/3rds of the US lives in detached single-family housing so they just plug in with no issue.
I agree for the minority living in dense apartment situations there's work yet to do.
FYI California state law (Civil Code section 1947.6) requires landlords to approve tenant requests to install EV charging stations in their dedicated parking spaces so long as the tenant is willing to pay for the charging station and associated costs, including installation and utility costs.
But as EV adoption grows landlords will be installing lots of chargers anyway as it'll start to become a competitive disadvantage not to.
Sure... roughly 1% a week. Maybe 2-3% if you open the app a number of times, but why would you?
<citation required>
The Lexus IS350 gas car my Tesla replaced has a curb weight of 3,748 lbs.
The Model 3 starts at 3862 pounds.
Spoiler: that's not 20% more.
They're not trying to do so in "a few years"
The new regulation will require 35% of new-car sales to be zero-emission vehicles (ZEVs) in 2026 (it's already north of 25% of new car sales in CA FYI) and 68% in 2030 before reaching 100% five years later with a total ban in 2035.
You again appear to be confusing "the tax on gas" with "the actual cost of the gas"
One is much bigger than the other, and it ain't the tax.
First- your math is very wrong.
married filing jointly hits $7500 in liability at 66,150 in gross income with no deductions.
You can confirm that here:
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-dft/i1040tt--dft.pdf
Even if you DO add the standard deduction that's only $93,850--- almost 20k less than you claimed.
Second-- Funny story. As of Jan 1 2024 it is refundable in practice.
It becomes point of sale at the dealer- and if you later turn out not to have $7500 in tax liability the IRS will not seek to claw it back.
Consumers will need to directly repay the full value of a transferred tax credit to the IRS when filing their taxes if they exceed the applicable modified adjusted gross income limitation.
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Toyota Corolla loses about $1k per year. Maybe less. And gets more range.
Most Americans do not live in a house or what to pay another $1k for dual charger and then brag about saving on gas. Ha!
Ideally we want Tesla to drop prices so they can wipe out all ICE manufacturers & sunset dealership model while $$$ portfolio grows
Roughly 2/3rd of Americans live in detached single family housing where they can charge at home.
Plus the % in attached townhouses and apartments with garages that also can.
Many states do not do annual inspections. The state has no idea how many miles you drive
In California, which you keep citing, it's over 1 in 4 now.
Worldwide it's just under 1 in 5.
And that number keeps increasing massively year over year and will keep doing so.
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Uh... what?
Maps are free. Forever.
Lexus still wanted $300/yr, even when my car was under warranty, for updates.
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Which live in detached single family housing where they can charge at home.
As explained to you 3 times now.
Which part, specifically, are you having trouble understanding?
Are you posting from 1923?
A Tesla mobile charger is a little over $200 to do that, and you can add back as much range as the average American drives in a day while you sleep.
No need for 200a service either.
So again most people can do this.
Why are you asking things already explained to you over and over?
The exact number varies from year to year but it's been in the 60% or higher range for generations.
A majority. Like you've been told 3 times now.
Again the average American drives 30 miles a day or less (many drive FAR less since Covid).
You can easily put that back with a normal 120v plug you already have in your house regardless of the amps of service the house has.
I cited news stories every 3 years back to 2009 about it earlier.
The one EV they DO sell is hilariously garbage and the barely sell any. The specs are worse than what Tesla was selling 10+ years ago.
On THAT we agree
But some people don't mind to pay the price.
Tesla able to drop the price because it put effort to reduce manufacture cost..
Those early adopters (pro tesla people ) hope them also invest to tesla stock and they will get their money worth.
Remember Tesla couldn't sell their car cheap back then, Tesla almost bankrupt back then..
At least, it is doing the job reduce cost not like other dealers putting market adjustment or add on charge consumers thousands
Fast Charging requires a 480-volt panel. And that could be expensive.
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Consumers will need to directly repay the full value of a transferred tax credit to the IRS when filing their taxes if they exceed the applicable modified adjusted gross income limitation.
Yes, if you engage in tax fraud you will have to repay the stolen money.
Not sure why you thought that was worth mentioning?
Or did you not understand what the fact the credit becomes effectively refundable means? Because that has nothing at all to do with the AGI caps. It means you no longer need $7500 in tax liability to use the full $7500 credit.
This helps LOWER income people, not higher, afford the cars.
You don't need your landlords permission to plug something into the wall.
The average American drives less than 30 miles a day, which, again, a normal 120v plug is just fine for.
You only need 240v if you want to add an average entire day of driving back in an hour, instead of overnight while you sleep.... if you ARE in that case and own, you can get a 240v plug if you don't have one (or you might already have one on your electric dryer or stove and can add a switched port- unless you expect to do a lot of baking or laundry while you're sleeping?)
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