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expiredDrewLin1228 posted Dec 03, 2023 12:23 PM
expiredDrewLin1228 posted Dec 03, 2023 12:23 PM

Toro Super Recycler SmartStow (21") 60-Volt Max Lithium-Ion Personal Pace RWD Lawn Mower (Tool Only - No Battery or Charger) $359.4

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Waiting for a long time.... toro seems not to have huge discount often like EGO or Greenworks.

https://www.mowersdirect.com/Toro...17585.html
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Closeout deal..

Waiting for a long time.... toro seems not to have huge discount often like EGO or Greenworks.

https://www.mowersdirect.com/Toro...17585.html

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https://www.mowersdirect.com/Toro...uct%2Bpage

Battery and charger included in this one for $359.40 also. 22"

Edit: I see you posted that separately already, thanks
Last edited by schetst December 3, 2023 at 04:37 AM.
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Seems batteries discontinued
Quote from DrewLin1228 :
Closeout deal..

Waiting for a long time.... toro seems not to have huge discount often like EGO or Greenworks.

https://www.mowersdirect.com/Toro...17585.html
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Quote from gemniii42 :
Seems batteries discontinued
If not now, eventually. Whether chemistry or form factor these companies will have you by the balls forcing shorter purchase cycles on you than any gas mower ever will.
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Quote from gemniii42 :
Seems batteries discontinued
I read it as not the batteries discontinued but the package that includes the battery/charger is discontinued. The other mower with battery better deal IMO
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Quote from schetst :
https://www.mowersdirect.com/Toro...uct%2Bpage

Battery and charger included in this one for $359.40 also. 22"

Edit: I see you posted that separately already, thanks
I got my batteries from previous deal of snowblower and therefore I bought this one. Super recycler has a better review than 22 recycler on some YouTube videos.
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drzkDec 03, 2023 02:49 PM
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FWD is the better choice for a lawn mower. Makes maneuvering in tight spaces easier. You'll find tipping the machine back to turn is fast.
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Really a nice mower, but the battery is over $300! Purchased this mower used for much, much less.
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Quote from DrewLin1228 :
I got my batteries from previous deal of snowblower and therefore I bought this one. Super recycler has a better review than 22 recycler on some YouTube videos.
I was thinking that since I also got in on the snowblower deal, but I don't know if it's worth replacing my existing battery mower (80v Greenworks) with this. Decisions, decisions…
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Quote from drzk :
FWD is the better choice for a lawn mower. Makes maneuvering in tight spaces easier. You'll find tipping the machine back to turn is fast.
Two comments:

1. FWD is awful anytime you use a rear bag. As the bag fills, the mower naturally tips rearward which reduces traction in the front. If the grass isn't completely dry, the front wheels slip entirely and if you're not careful you get muddy ruts.

2. This is a "personal-pace" mower. I don't have an electric "personal pace" mower but I have an ICE super recycler with "personal pace". I presume they operate the same. It matches your walking speed. When you stop walking to turn, it stops moving. When you turn the mower, you just tip the mower back and turn like it was non-self-propelled. Compared to mowers where you set your driving speed with a lever or knob, personal pace is magical.

Having said all that, I don't trust that Toro will keep their battery platform alive long enough to justify buying one of these. With normal maintenance, I'm confident my ICE super recycler will last 20+ years. Will you be able to buy batteries for this in 15 years? Who knows...
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Quote from arcasinky :
Two comments:

1. FWD is awful anytime you use a rear bag. As the bag fills, the mower naturally tips rearward which reduces traction in the front. If the grass isn't completely dry, the front wheels slip entirely and if you're not careful you get muddy ruts.

2. This is a "personal-pace" mower. I don't have an electric "personal pace" mower but I have an ICE super recycler with "personal pace". I presume they operate the same. It matches your walking speed. When you stop walking to turn, it stops moving. When you turn the mower, you just tip the mower back and turn like it was non-self-propelled. Compared to mowers where you set your driving speed with a lever or knob, personal pace is magical.

Having said all that, I don't trust that Toro will keep their battery platform alive long enough to justify buying one of these. With normal maintenance, I'm confident my ICE super recycler will last 20+ years. Will you be able to buy batteries for this in 15 years? Who knows...
The 60v and ice super recycler use the same deck, transmission, etc. If my 60v ever dies I'll bolt a Honda engine to it and keep mowing.
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Quote from Find_A_Deal :
The 60v and ice super recycler use the same deck, transmission, etc. If my 60v ever dies I'll bolt a Honda engine to it and keep mowing.
Ditto, though my engine choice may be a HF Predator, bought on sale with coupons.😂😇
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Quote from arcasinky :

Having said all that, I don't trust that Toro will keep their battery platform alive long enough to justify buying one of these. With normal maintenance, I'm confident my ICE super recycler will last 20+ years. Will you be able to buy batteries for this in 15 years? Who knows...
I have yet to see a manufacture abandon a battery platform. The only case i have seen is the 40v very very early greenworks that are well over 10 years old. Manufactures do rev the packs, but they are always backwards compatible. So the new packs might have a different cell arrangement, or new feature such as a battery indicator or usb charging.

I still think its dumb that the goverment mandated univeral cell phone chargers, but we still have 15 manufactures of 60v mowers that are incompatible. And its really dumb when it comes to the greenworks oems, where you have 4 brands, and each one just has a slight change to the plastic housing.
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Quote from nightanole :
I have yet to see a manufacture abandon a battery platform.
You need to look harder, then.

Dewalt abandoned their 40V platform shortly before covid. At the time, the 20/60V "Flexvolt" platform was aimed at consumers while 40V targeted professionals. The 40V platform lasted a couple years before Dewalt pulled the plug. (What's funny is Dewalt has since gone back to offering 40V tools, just in a 2x20 configuration).

Echo ditched their 58V platform and introduced a new 56V platform back in 2021. You can still get old-stock 58V batteries for now but they're not being made anymore.

Oregon used to have a 120V battery platform for outdoor equipment. They killed it a couple years ago in favor of a new 40V platform.

I'm sure there are other, smaller companies. These are just the ones that come to mind.
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Quote from arcasinky :
You need to look harder, then.

Dewalt abandoned their 40V platform shortly before covid. At the time, the 20/60V "Flexvolt" platform was aimed at consumers while 40V targeted professionals. The 40V platform lasted a couple years before Dewalt pulled the plug. (What's funny is Dewalt has since gone back to offering 40V tools, just in a 2x20 configuration).

Echo ditched their 58V platform and introduced a new 56V platform back in 2021. You can still get old-stock 58V batteries for now but they're not being made anymore.

Oregon used to have a 120V battery platform for outdoor equipment. They killed it a couple years ago in favor of a new 40V platform.

I'm sure there are other, smaller companies. These are just the ones that come to mind.
Discontinued doesn't mean abandoned. I can still buy those batteries. When the OEM drops them, the aftermarket will start stuffing old cases with new cells. If the OEM produced enough product to make it profitable, someone will keep it alive.
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Quote from arcasinky :
Two comments:

1. FWD is awful anytime you use a rear bag. As the bag fills, the mower naturally tips rearward which reduces traction in the front. If the grass isn't completely dry, the front wheels slip entirely and if you're not careful you get muddy ruts.

2. This is a "personal-pace" mower. I don't have an electric "personal pace" mower but I have an ICE super recycler with "personal pace". I presume they operate the same. It matches your walking speed. When you stop walking to turn, it stops moving. When you turn the mower, you just tip the mower back and turn like it was non-self-propelled. Compared to mowers where you set your driving speed with a lever or knob, personal pace is magical.

Having said all that, I don't trust that Toro will keep their battery platform alive long enough to justify buying one of these. With normal maintenance, I'm confident my ICE super recycler will last 20+ years. Will you be able to buy batteries for this in 15 years? Who knows...
My ICE mower is front drive and I run the bagger all the time. I've never really had a problem with traction. If you did slip, a little upward pressure on the handle would get you through the tough spots.

I prefer turning with a FWD mower. I simply push down on the handle and it stops moving and I make my corner.

I think RWD is good when you have hills. Otherwise, FWD is really easy to use.

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