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Depends on your inseam (if you are more torso than legs, one reason to size up) and how you want the bike to move around you: the smaller frame will be more nimble and require less body english to throw around.
Will also steer better @ low speeds.
The longer bike will be better at holding a line @ speed, with everything good and bad around this fact.
Smaller bikes are also more comfortable for longer days in the saddle.
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My personal and only ful-sus at the moment is a Rocky Mountain Element, a hybrid between the 951 XC and the 951 Trail in the sense of having the Geo of a trail bike but the travel of more XC/Downcountry bikes.
In my early 40s myself, I'd wager that if you are coming into the sport and you don't have illusions of sending big jumps and drops (unless you alteady doing daredevil stuff) and cannot miss next Monday @ work, you probably won't, the XC will suit most fine for general trail riding and be notably more efficient than the trail/longer travel version. You can still get air here and there ofc, and TBH, any rider than can shred on a 140mm rear bike, can probably do the same on a 120. I personally saw no limitations, yet many benefits going from a 150/140 to a 130 (soon to be 140, thanks Fox sales)/120, so, bit biased.
These are excellent frames and very workable components.
You can consider better components if you wear the OEM out. No need to pay upfront as a newcomer into serious bikes.
The jump from a $1000 bike to these, is far greater than the jump from these to the $6k+ equivalents.
I gotta agree, nothing else can touch this at this price point. Normally youll pay this much just for a full squish carbon frameset. Its certainly got "entry level" components for serious trail / enduro bikes, but I dont think any other riders at the trailhead would give it a second thought. Youre not gonna get laughed off the trail. Quite the contrary. Tell them the price you snagged it at, and ill bet a few eyes light up. Yeah, $2500 is a lot of money for a bicycle, but it's a lot easier to swallow than 8500. And its gonna be a long long time before its the bike holding you back, and not the rider.
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Good deal for this and the Trail. Both are really nice frames with lots of room to grow. The stock setup is good, but other than the suspension, it's really basic. At this price you can buy with Costco confidence. If you don't love it after a month or more, take it back. You can't do that with too many other bikes.
If you are willing to go to aluminum, there are better deals but you don't get a very nice carbon frame like these.
Great bike for the money. Interesting how these are starting to go on sale more frequently. For the price point, it's difficult to find a better bike that's cheaper.
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I'm 6'2" 210 lbs and looks like I'd be ok with either a Large or XL frame. Can any experienced riders out there recommend which size would be best for me?
I bought the XC version during peak pricing IIRC I paid $3500, now that it's $2300 I think it's probably the best deal on the market for these types of bikes, I wish I had a reason to buy another. The only thing I did is swap out the seat and handlebars, other than that this spec is super solid. The brakes are great too.
I'm 6'2" 210 lbs and looks like I'd be ok with either a Large or XL frame. Can any experienced riders out there recommend which size would be best for me?
Depends on your inseam (if you are more torso than legs, one reason to size up) and how you want the bike to move around you: the smaller frame will be more nimble and require less body english to throw around.
Will also steer better @ low speeds.
The longer bike will be better at holding a line @ speed, with everything good and bad around this fact.
Smaller bikes are also more comfortable for longer days in the saddle.
---
My personal and only ful-sus at the moment is a Rocky Mountain Element, a hybrid between the 951 XC and the 951 Trail in the sense of having the Geo of a trail bike but the travel of more XC/Downcountry bikes.
In my early 40s myself, I'd wager that if you are coming into the sport and you don't have illusions of sending big jumps and drops (unless you alteady doing daredevil stuff) and cannot miss next Monday @ work, you probably won't, the XC will suit most fine for general trail riding and be notably more efficient than the trail/longer travel version. You can still get air here and there ofc, and TBH, any rider than can shred on a 140mm rear bike, can probably do the same on a 120. I personally saw no limitations, yet many benefits going from a 150/140 to a 130 (soon to be 140, thanks Fox sales)/120, so, bit biased.
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I gotta agree, nothing else can touch this at this price point. Normally youll pay this much just for a full squish carbon frameset. Its certainly got "entry level" components for serious trail / enduro bikes, but I dont think any other riders at the trailhead would give it a second thought. Youre not gonna get laughed off the trail. Quite the contrary. Tell them the price you snagged it at, and ill bet a few eyes light up. Yeah, $2500 is a lot of money for a bicycle, but it's a lot easier to swallow than 8500. And its gonna be a long long time before its the bike holding you back, and not the rider.
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I gotta agree, this is nearly impossible to touch this price point. Normally youll pay this much just for a full squish carbon frameset. Its certainly got "entry level" components for serious trail / enduro bikes, but I dont think any other riders at the trailhead would give it a second thought. Youre not gonna get laughed off the trail. Quite the contrary. Tell them the price you snagged it at, and ill bet a few eyes light up. Yeah, $2500 is a lot of money for a bicycle, but it's a lot easier to swallow than 8500. And its gonna be a long long time before its the bike holding you back, and not the rider.
These are excellent frames and very workable components.
You can consider better components if you wear the OEM out. No need to pay upfront as a newcomer into serious bikes.
The jump from a $1000 bike to these, is far greater than the jump from these to the $6k+ equivalents.
These are excellent frames and very workable components.
You can consider better components if you wear the OEM out. No need to pay upfront as a newcomer into serious bikes.
The jump from a $1000 bike to these, is far greater than the jump from these to the $6k+ equivalents.
Couldn't agree with you more. Your last sentence says it all.
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I'm 6'2" 210 lbs and looks like I'd be ok with either a Large or XL frame. Can any experienced riders out there recommend which size would be best for me?
Go with XL unless you know you are looking for a bike to take to the jump park and be able to move it around while you're in the air (not most of us). My friend is 6'2" and rides the XC version of this bike in a size large and it's too small for him. I'm 5'10" right on the line between M and L and ride Large frame on mountain and medium on a road bike.
I'm 6'2" 210 lbs and looks like I'd be ok with either a Large or XL frame. Can any experienced riders out there recommend which size would be best for me?
I'm 6' and got the large. I kinda wish the stem was 10mm or so longer, I'd go with the XL if I were you, unless you like a very upright fit.
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Will also steer better @ low speeds.
The longer bike will be better at holding a line @ speed, with everything good and bad around this fact.
Smaller bikes are also more comfortable for longer days in the saddle.
---
My personal and only ful-sus at the moment is a Rocky Mountain Element, a hybrid between the 951 XC and the 951 Trail in the sense of having the Geo of a trail bike but the travel of more XC/Downcountry bikes.
In my early 40s myself, I'd wager that if you are coming into the sport and you don't have illusions of sending big jumps and drops (unless you alteady doing daredevil stuff) and cannot miss next Monday @ work, you probably won't, the XC will suit most fine for general trail riding and be notably more efficient than the trail/longer travel version. You can still get air here and there ofc, and TBH, any rider than can shred on a 140mm rear bike, can probably do the same on a 120. I personally saw no limitations, yet many benefits going from a 150/140 to a 130 (soon to be 140, thanks Fox sales)/120, so, bit biased.
You can consider better components if you wear the OEM out. No need to pay upfront as a newcomer into serious bikes.
The jump from a $1000 bike to these, is far greater than the jump from these to the $6k+ equivalents.
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If you are willing to go to aluminum, there are better deals but you don't get a very nice carbon frame like these.
Will also steer better @ low speeds.
The longer bike will be better at holding a line @ speed, with everything good and bad around this fact.
Smaller bikes are also more comfortable for longer days in the saddle.
---
My personal and only ful-sus at the moment is a Rocky Mountain Element, a hybrid between the 951 XC and the 951 Trail in the sense of having the Geo of a trail bike but the travel of more XC/Downcountry bikes.
In my early 40s myself, I'd wager that if you are coming into the sport and you don't have illusions of sending big jumps and drops (unless you alteady doing daredevil stuff) and cannot miss next Monday @ work, you probably won't, the XC will suit most fine for general trail riding and be notably more efficient than the trail/longer travel version. You can still get air here and there ofc, and TBH, any rider than can shred on a 140mm rear bike, can probably do the same on a 120. I personally saw no limitations, yet many benefits going from a 150/140 to a 130 (soon to be 140, thanks Fox sales)/120, so, bit biased.
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You can consider better components if you wear the OEM out. No need to pay upfront as a newcomer into serious bikes.
The jump from a $1000 bike to these, is far greater than the jump from these to the $6k+ equivalents.
You can consider better components if you wear the OEM out. No need to pay upfront as a newcomer into serious bikes.
The jump from a $1000 bike to these, is far greater than the jump from these to the $6k+ equivalents.
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At this price IF the brakes are a downfall, it's a slight one.
Agree with others this is good performance for the price, hard to beat.
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