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01-03-2024 at 08:14 AM.
01-03-2024 at 08:14 AM.
Adding to the theme. I had a different model from CyberPower, the batter blew up 2 years in, and no warranty replacement.
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01-03-2024 at 10:19 AM.
01-03-2024 at 10:19 AM.
Quote from Crazyheaven :
Just replace the battery. Open the unit, check the size and order a replacement.
This is great advice if the unit's out of warranty - but why should the poster pay to fix something that rightfully should have been replaced under warranty? They seemed to imply that the battery was a wear item that shouldn't be covered, which should be spelled out pretty clearly in the documentation if that's the case.
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01-03-2024 at 10:21 AM.
01-03-2024 at 10:21 AM.
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it would be hard/impossible for a company to warranty their batteries. there is absolutely no way for them to knwo if you treated the battery correctly. tons of people use these as a budget battery bank/inverter and run them hard. It is very likely that if your battery is dead in 2.5 years you have been using it semi hard. batteries are wear items. it would be like expecting a car company to warranty your windshield wipers.

i would suggest either taking advantage of the costco policy, or open it up and replace the battery... it will likely be a $20-40 replacement. thats what i do on all of my battery backups and jump packs.
Then they should either explicitly exclude the battery from the warranty on the unit or reduce the warranty period to a reasonable duration, like 90 days.

Advertising years of warranty and not excluding the part most likely to fail within the warranty window is blatant false advertising.
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01-03-2024 at 10:53 AM.
01-03-2024 at 10:53 AM.
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Then they should either explicitly exclude the battery from the warranty on the unit or reduce the warranty period to a reasonable duration, like 90 days.

Advertising years of warranty and not excluding the part most likely to fail within the warranty window is blatant false advertising.
it literally isn't false advertising though. the warranty explicitly states that it covers defective items. a warranty is not an all encompassing "guarantee" like you seem to expect it to be. most anyone would agree that a battery that dies after 2.5 years is not defective. if they explicitly excluded batteries like you suggest then it would be a worse warranty than it is, because people that actually receive a defective battery would not be covered.

i am quite confident that if you went out and replaced the battery with any trusted battery replacement, you would get the same amount of use out of it. because that is well within the expected life of a backup battery.
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01-03-2024 at 03:31 PM.
01-03-2024 at 03:31 PM.
I remember not too many years ago when you could get a 1375VA UPS on sale at Costco for this price. Now I buy replacement batteries on Amazon but you can only get by with swaps 1-2 times before the UPS circuitry itself fails.
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01-03-2024 at 07:06 PM.
01-03-2024 at 07:06 PM.
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Sounds like a shitty company. If they dont want to honor warranty claims. Thank you i am
going to skip.

Everybody has different experiences. I had a unit that was solidly out of warranty by a year that they exchanged for free, just because I had bought so many of their products over the years. Their support (and warranty) has been excellent for me.
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01-03-2024 at 07:43 PM.
01-03-2024 at 07:43 PM.
Quote from idiggplants :
it would be hard/impossible for a company to warranty their batteries. there is absolutely no way for them to knwo if you treated the battery correctly. tons of people use these as a budget battery bank/inverter and run them hard. It is very likely that if your battery is dead in 2.5 years you have been using it semi hard. batteries are wear items. it would be like expecting a car company to warranty your windshield wipers.

i would suggest either taking advantage of the costco policy, or open it up and replace the battery... it will likely be a $20-40 replacement. thats what i do on all of my battery backups and jump packs.
idk, that's why I mentioned I just wanted to share how CyberPower treated me without blaming CyberPower as bad.

It is not impossible for a company to warranty their batteries, in fact, most vendors provide a warranty for the battery. The most common example is the iPhone, Apple's policy states that the battery is designed to retain up to 80% of its original capacity at 500 complete charge cycles.

So, the question is whether the battery is a warranty or non-warranty item. At least, from what I am seeing, they didn't explicitly exclude the battery from the warranty on paper. So, I assumed it is a warranty item.

Personally I understand that batteries are kind of wear items. However, to be honest, I didn't run mine hard. The main reason I need a UPS is that I still use a desktop computer (unlike a laptop, there is no battery for a desktop), and I have a NAS running 24/7. I don't want unexpected power loss. I didn't use it as a battery bank/inverter. However, if the battery is wearing out just within 3 years, the battery quality is kind of bad. I would go back to APC next time because of the product quality.
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01-03-2024 at 09:19 PM.
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Quote from idiggplants :
it literally isn't false advertising though. the warranty explicitly states that it covers defective items. a warranty is not an all encompassing "guarantee" like you seem to expect it to be. most anyone would agree that a battery that dies after 2.5 years is not defective. if they explicitly excluded batteries like you suggest then it would be a worse warranty than it is, because people that actually receive a defective battery would not be covered.

i am quite confident that if you went out and replaced the battery with any trusted battery replacement, you would get the same amount of use out of it. because that is well within the expected life of a backup battery.
This is nonsense. The company themselves sell a replacement battery along with a tool that they themselves warranty for 18 months:

https://www.cyberpowersystems.com...ne%20tool.

Any other excuses you have on hand for why they're deliberately screwing people, aside from being able to sell overpriced replacement batteries that should have been covered under warranty?
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01-03-2024 at 09:21 PM.
01-03-2024 at 09:21 PM.
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idk, that's why I mentioned I just wanted to share how CyberPower treated me without blaming CyberPower as bad.

It is not impossible for a company to warranty their batteries, in fact, most vendors provide a warranty for the battery. The most common example is the iPhone, Apple's policy states that the battery is designed to retain up to 80% of its original capacity at 500 complete charge cycles.

So, the question is whether the battery is a warranty or non-warranty item. At least, from what I am seeing, they didn't explicitly exclude the battery from the warranty on paper. So, I assumed it is a warranty item.

Personally I understand that batteries are kind of wear items. However, to be honest, I didn't run mine hard. The main reason I need a UPS is that I still use a desktop computer (unlike a laptop, there is no battery for a desktop), and I have a NAS running 24/7. I don't want unexpected power loss. I didn't use it as a battery bank/inverter. However, if the battery is wearing out just within 3 years, the battery quality is kind of bad. I would go back to APC next time because of the product quality.
Yeah, considering Cyberpower themselves warranty the replacement batteries for 18 months, that excuse is 100% bullflop. They could easily have split the original warranty to limit the battery replacement to 18 months and the rest of the unit to 30, they just chose not to make the distinction and let users find out the hard way when they pitch to sell overpriced replacements that won't invalidate the original warranty.
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01-04-2024 at 04:08 AM.
01-04-2024 at 04:08 AM.
Quote from Karbunkster :
Adding to what seems to be the common theme: I have very bad experience with CyberPower UPS devices (4 of them). Won't be buying a new one from them, that's for sure

Is there an alternative brand that you can recommend?
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01-04-2024 at 06:34 AM.

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01-04-2024 at 06:34 AM.
Quote from Giantcrazy :
This is nonsense. The company themselves sell a replacement battery along with a tool that they themselves warranty for 18 months:

https://www.cyberpowersystems.com...ne%20tool. [cyberpowersystems.com]

Any other excuses you have on hand for why they're deliberately screwing people, aside from being able to sell overpriced replacement batteries that should have been covered under warranty?
1. you realize that 18 months is less than 2.5 years, right? so the same thing applies.
2. did you actually read the warranty? its the same warranty. it covers against defects. so if the battery is defective, it will cover it. if it isnt, it wont.

Like, I'm not even sure what your point is here? That they sell replacement parts? Do you get mad that your kia has wiper blades that wear out that aren't covered by the car's warranty? Holy cow! Wait! What?! Kia sells replacement wiper blades that also have a warranty!? You found some super sneaky evidence of kia screwing over customers!!!!

Quote from Giantcrazy :
Yeah, considering Cyberpower themselves warranty the replacement batteries for 18 months, that excuse is 100% bullflop. They could easily have split the original warranty to limit the battery replacement to 18 months and the rest of the unit to 30, they just chose not to make the distinction and let users find out the hard way when they pitch to sell overpriced replacements that won't invalidate the original warranty.
do you not see that the 3 year warranty is the same as the 18 month warranty? covers defects... both battery and otherwise? so what you are asking for is a warranty on the unit that is actually worse? Lol.

you all need to learn what a warranty is and what it isnt. lol. you also dont understand how batteries work. You basically are expecting a free battery replacement, no questions asked, after you very likely overdrained them and got more use out of them then should be expected.
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01-04-2024 at 09:16 AM.
01-04-2024 at 09:16 AM.
I hope it's just my unit, but I've had this thing provide power for FIOS GPON, and it just kills the batteries (it chewed through two in two years), and the conclusion is that it would not hold for even a 5 minute power outages. The worst part is that it will not give you any indication that the battery is already dead, and it turns into a heavy surge protector. It takes standard sealed batteries that you can find everywhere if you want to replace them, it's like $30 at Home Depot or Cabela's.
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01-04-2024 at 09:50 AM.
01-04-2024 at 09:50 AM.
Quote from Giantcrazy :
You're obviously not worth the waste of time, but let's recap:
  • People were denied warranty claims for batteries still under warranty, which led you to lecture people on what should be considered in scope for the warranty.
  • You claimed batteries couldn't be warrantied - a point that was proven outright WRONG, as evidenced by the fact that the same company warranties their overpriced replacement batteries almost as long as the original unit's warranty was.
  • My post was very clear in pointing out that they should make it clear that either the battery isn't warrantied and expected to be a wear item from day 1, or that they should indicate a separate warranty period for the battery from the rest of the unit.
  • Warranties that don't cover wear items almost always detail what is considered a wear item - read any car warranty if you've never bothered to do so.
  • You tried to make some nonsensical point about the abuse of batteries in these units, which to someone with 7 years and two electrical engineering degrees was entirely laughable, making it obvious that you're just here to whinge.
The users who complained about being screwed by being denied warranty battery replacements had every right to do so. You clearly don't know how warranties work, don't know how batteries work, and when caught in the act of being clueless don't even have the sense to own up to your mistakes.

Stop embarrassing yourself. Stick to something you know, if there's anything that qualifies.
the warranty covers defective items. a worn out battery after 2.5 years is not defective.

I'm not sure how to simplify this for you any further. Most people would understand this and assume this. You not understanding this, and expecting a company to spoon feed what is obvious to the rest of the world (batteries wear out) is borderline embarrassing to admit, let alone continue to argue.

sorry i wont placate your hissy fit.
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01-04-2024 at 10:03 AM.
01-04-2024 at 10:03 AM.
Quote from NeatShop7155 :
It is not impossible for a company to warranty their batteries, in fact, most vendors provide a warranty for the battery. The most common example is the iPhone, Apple's policy states that the battery is designed to retain up to 80% of its original capacity at 500 complete charge cycles.
few things that show why this is an apple to oranges comparison...

1. that is a lithium battery. they dont wear out to the same degree that traditional agm batteries do. they can be drained much lower, and dont sulfate and hold a memory the way agm do... a lithium battery backup this size would literally cost about 10x as much.

2. the phone is built to not abuse the battery. it wont overdischarge, it wont let the battery drain below critical levels, and it is assumed that no one will let their phone sit at 0% for very long because they need their phone.

3. honoring a battery warranty on a iphone consists of replacing the $30 batttery in a $1k phone. replacing a battery in a backup is replacing a $20-40 battery in a $75-100 product. big difference.

I get why it is frustrating, but it will literally be the same thing for every single battery backup company.
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